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When to Complete SB w/Garbage
How many limpers does it take to make completing the SB with a poor hand +EV?
I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers. I folded (was playing a tricky hand for big pot at another table). BB completed. 7 players to the Flop. Flop would have given me top two pair, also putting a 2-flush on board. The 2 paired on the Turn and also made a 3-flush. There was tons of action and pot ended up being ~14BBs. Of course, the probability of the hand playing out like this is minimal. So generally speaking, what is the # of limpers that give you enough odds (pot & implied) to complete with a weak hand? What are some table considerations that would alter that #? (eg BB is super aggressive & most likely will raise PF facing limpers.) SP |
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
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I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers. Flop would have given me top two pair [/ QUOTE ] How do you get top 2-pair with Q2o? |
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
Qx-1.5x-1.4x
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
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[ QUOTE ] I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers. Flop would have given me top two pair [/ QUOTE ] How do you get top 2-pair with Q2o? [/ QUOTE ] When the flop comes Q-2-A, of course! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
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[ QUOTE ] I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers. Flop would have given me top two pair [/ QUOTE ] I just put that in to make sure people were paying attention, lol. That was a typo... SP How do you get top 2-pair with Q2o? [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
LOL - Yeah, top two with Q-2/off - What a kidder. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
- We all know you meant Q-2/suited. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
UATrewqaz,
[ QUOTE ] You said something like 92o wins 5.2% of the time vs. 9 random hands, which is 19-1 against. But if 6 people limp you are getting immediate odds of 15-1 on your 1/2 SB call. This of course is pre-factoring in any implied odds. [/ QUOTE ] But the problem is you don't know if "this" hand is in the 5.2% so it really needs to be lowered. I.E. running 2's or running 9's or running 9/2 or you flop a 2 and a 2 or 9 would come on the turn or river to give you the winner. Those miracles all make up that 5.2% and need to be discounted. Also the flop could come K94 and your 9's would win at showdown but with 5 people in you usually can't feel comfortable betting OOP with SPNK. So that 5.2% is pretty "generous" and really indicates best case scenario. |
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
The 5.2% win rate for 9-2/off refers to hot-cold; it's accurate only if there is no post-flop action.
It also assumes that all callers have random hands. - I've been fortunate enough to play in games with some truly horrible/clueless players but even this bunch would refuse to play the very worst of their startin hands . . . such as, oh, 8-2/off. |
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
At a table of weak players when 5+ people have limped I'll complete in the SB with any two cards.
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Re: When to Complete SB w/Garbage
Depends on the blind structure. In a 2/3 blind structure it is almost never correct to fold in an unraised pot.
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