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Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
Saw this story related by Hellmuth in a couple of different interviews:
[ QUOTE ] I know that I got cheated on a cruise ship. I was basically warned to avoid the games. But, from my perspective, I was 24 years old; I’d won all kinds of poker tournaments, including the World Series of Poker. I’d won a lot of money in the side games. And, I didn’t even think cheating was possible. For an unknown kid to come along and win all these events, cheating couldn’t exist. Or so I reasoned. Then I got caught on a cruise ship where they cheated me.” What’s the story behind it? “I think the board was 4, 4, J, and I flipped up my K, J, and the guy flipped up A, J. And it just didn’t seem like everything was right. It seemed like there was no way he could have A, J in this hand. I got off the cruise ship. I had $64,000 to my name, and I owed $57,000 to a bunch of guys that cheated me. A lot of people said, ‘You shouldn’t pay.’ And I said, ‘Look, I don’t know 100 percent that I was cheated.’ And, I paid it all – left myself with $7,000.” [/ QUOTE ] Granted there could be more to it that he is leaving out, but KJ against AJ on a 44J board doesn't look very suspicious at all. Looks like a rather common hand to me. Could this just be a case of a brash young Hellmuth thinking he was cheated because his mind just couldn't accept losing a pot he was sure he was going to win? Anyone heard anything more about this? |
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
Hmmm, interesting.....give me another 10 or so years to think about it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
I suspect you could be correct.
He has some sort of psychic 'hunch' or whatever it is that something just wasn't right. Why is it such a big deal that the other guy had AJ?? Were they somehow setting him up with KJ to lose a big pot?? It's not like KJ is a freaking monster to set up somebody with. This reads similar to someone losing a bad-beat online and claiming that it must be because the cards were rigged. I have my own psychic 'hunch' also. It is that Hellmuth probably wasn't cheated at all. He just lost and couldn't accept it. however...if it was a situation where he 'decided' to pay the guys anyway then does that mean he had some sort of marker or something? was this a private-game on the cruise-ship? i mean...I guess it's POSSIBLE that he got cheated....because cheating DOES happen of course. But he lost with KJ to AJ and had a 'hunch' about it....and that doesn't carry a whole lot of weight. |
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
He must have gotten other information that led him to believe he got cheated but just left it out, he's not mentally retarded. The only thing fishy thing is that its not really an action flop which is something I imagin someone rigging a hand would wanna set up. |
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
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Why is it such a big deal that the other guy had AJ?? Were they somehow setting him up with KJ to lose a big pot?? It's not like KJ is a freaking monster to set up somebody with. [/ QUOTE ] Because NOBODY outplays Phil Hellmuth |
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
I think it's more interesting that he says he had only $64,000 to his name only months after winning the WSOP ME.
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
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I think it's more interesting that he says he had only $64,000 to his name only months after winning the WSOP ME. [/ QUOTE ] ding |
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
what did he win for the wsop? Like $800,000 that year? After taxes, he would be left with 500,000 or so. He buys a couple nice things, cars for his family, a new house, etc. Might have had debts before the tourney. That could easily leave him with 200,000 or so. Maybe he invested the rest or took some losses he won't allow himself to remember.
I doubt he lost all of it gambling. |
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
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I think it's more interesting that he says he had only $64,000 to his name only months after winning the WSOP ME. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah that's what I was thinking too! That's some rough [censored], honestly. |
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Re: Phil Hellmuth was cheated?
cruise ship poker is rigged
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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