What do you liberals think of this???

[jaxmike]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...3/101911.shtml

In a stunning about-face, the New York Times reported Sunday that when the U.S. attacked Iraq in March 2003, Saddam Hussein possessed "stockpiles of monitored chemicals and materials," as well as sophisticated equipment to manufacture nuclear and biological weapons, which was removed to "a neighboring state" before the U.S. could secure the weapons sites.

[jaxmike]

more evidence from your Bible....

http://www.iraqwatch.org/wmd/iraqarticle2pg1.pdf

[xadrez]

The Newsmax article selectively took many excerpts out of the Times article so out of context its not even funny. Had you bothered to read the Times article this would of been immediately clear.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/in...st/13loot.html

See if you can see what Im talking about for yourself. Oh, wait I forgot you wont read anything you deem "liberal".

[cardcounter0]

No, No, No, NO.

It is a huge cover-up. General Electric, Disney, Viacom, Time-Warner, and Murdoch have all gotten together and kept this a secret.

If only the White House and Bush had some means to let the American People know about this.
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[jaxmike]

You gotta be kidding me. That's what they have been saying all along. Finally the NYT admits the truth. I wonder if Teddy "lush" Kennedy or Robert "KKK" Byrd will admit it now too???

[xadrez]

We can pick apart the semantics, comb through them til kingdom come, and still not agree on the context of the article.

Perhaps the more pressing question that this article brings up, at least in my mind, is the fact that all these dangerous components are now in the hands of insurgents. One can only wonder why these so called sensitive sites were not guarded immediately after the invasion being that we knew beforehand that they contained the weapons. Whoops, another idiotic move by the Bush Administration.

[jaxmike]

I have read the article. What exactly to you think the article was saying that the newsmax piece did not? The context of the Times article is that there were weapons, and they are missing.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 12 - In the weeks after Baghdad fell in April 2003, looters systematically dismantled and removed tons of machinery from Saddam Hussein's most important weapons installations, including some with high-precision equipment capable of making parts for nuclear arms, a senior Iraqi official said this week in the government's first extensive comments on the looting.

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The Iraqi official, Sami al-Araji, the deputy minister of industry, said it appeared that a highly organized operation had pinpointed specific plants in search of valuable equipment, some of which could be used for both military and civilian applications, and carted the machinery away.

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Thats the first two paragraphs.

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Dr. Araji's statements came just a week after a United Nations agency disclosed that approximately 90 important sites in Iraq had been looted or razed in that period.

Satellite imagery analyzed by two United Nations groups - the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, or Unmovic - confirms that some of the sites identified by Dr. Araji appear to be totally or partly stripped, senior officials at those agencies said. Those officials said they could not comment on all of Dr. Araji's assertions, because the groups had been barred from Iraq since the invasion.

For nearly a year, the two agencies have sent regular reports to the United Nations Security Council detailing evidence of the dismantlement of Iraqi military installations and, in a few cases, the movement of Iraqi gear to other countries. In addition, a report issued last October by the chief American arms inspector in Iraq, Charles A. Duelfer, told of evidence of looting at crucial sites.

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Where is this getting taken out of context?

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Agency inspectors, in visiting other countries, have discovered tons of industrial scrap, some radioactively contaminated, from Iraq, the report noted. It added, however, that the agency had been unable to track down any of the high-quality, dual-use equipment or materials.

"The disappearance of such equipment," the report emphasized, "may be of proliferation significance."

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Still looking for the "out of context".

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Officials of the commission and the atomic energy agency have repeatedly called on the Iraqi government to report on what it knows of the fate of the thousands of pieces of monitored equipment and stockpiles of monitored chemicals and materials.

Last fall, Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, put public pressure on the interim Iraqi government to start the process of accounting for nuclear-related materials still ostensibly under the agency's supervision. Iraq is obliged, he wrote to the president of the Security Council on Oct. 1, to declare semiannually changes that have occurred or are foreseen.

In interviews, officials of the monitoring commission and the atomic energy agency said the two agencies had heard nothing from Baghdad - with one notable exception. On Oct. 10, the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology wrote to the atomic agency to say a stockpile of high explosives at Al Qaqaa had been lost because of "theft and looting."

During the American presidential election last fall, news of that letter ignited a political firestorm. Privately, officials of the monitoring commission and the atomic energy agency have speculated on whether the political uproar made Baghdad reluctant to disclose more details of looting.

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To recap. The NYT admits that there is a high likely hood that weapons were smuggled out of the numerous sites surrounding Baghdad in the days leading up to and immediately following the invasion. I'm sorry, I must have taken that out of context.

You have been pwned by your masters.

[Felix_Nietsche]

"Dr. Araji said equipment capable of making parts for missiles as well as chemical, biological and nuclear arms was missing from 8 or 10 sites............."

Bush43 haters can't have it both ways.....EITHER:
1. Iraq had complied with UN resolutions to give up their WMD program and therefore there was no WMD equipment to loot.
or
2. Iraq maintained their WMD program in some form.

[nicky g]

Both of you have completely misunderstood this article. prior to the war that equipment was sealed and monitored by the IAEA and others. It was equipment from old programmes that Iraq had declared top the inspectors a long time ago. It was under lock and key thanks to the inspections and monitoring regime. Thanks to the war and the incompetent occupation, it is now in the hands of more or less the same nutjobs we were told Saddam might give them to. Utterly brilliant self-pwnage.

[jaxmike]

wrong. that is not the case. you are a fool if you actually think that the sites were sealed and monitored. the ONLY monitoring they could do was via satellite. it was NOT under lock and key. you have a dillusional idea of what the IAEA and UN actually did, which is closer to nothing than anything.