Q9o on button

[brettbrettr]

This is a live 10/20 game, at a yet to be shutdown NYC card club

Right now its 6 handed, but no one here really adjusts so I post here instead of HUSH.

UTG, UTG+1, CO limp, I limp OTB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], both blinds call.

6 to the flop for 6 sbs: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Lagy BB bets, all call, I call (?), sb folds.

The flop play is pretty much what I'm wondering about.

[KDawgCometh]

I can dig,but, two questions: 1. PF, huh? suited yes, but I dunno about off suit.

2. what is the likelyhood that they are gonna call a lot on the turn too. Cause if they are, then I might rather raise the flop and get some value in right now since there are a lot of bad cards to hit on the turn

[brettbrettr]

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1. PF, huh? suited yes, but I dunno about off suit.


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Yeah, a lil loose for sure, but thesze guys are really donkish and in position I can't see folding this for one bet. SB won't raise without AA or KK, BB will raise maybe 20% of his hands.

As for the flop play, I called b/c of the number of bad cards that could hit on the turn, but now I'm thinking maybe I overestimated. I figured my equity wasn't that big on the flop, and no one was folding. But I think I might be wrong.

[Borodog]

When explaining why you played a hand like Q9o, you should typically begin by saying, "Now assume I flop quads . . ."

[KDawgCometh]

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As for the flop play, I called b/c of the number of bad cards that could hit on the turn, but now I'm thinking maybe I overestimated. I figured my equity wasn't that big on the flop, and no one was folding. But I think I might be wrong.

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well, of course noone is folding, but I think that you have to put in value right now, as it may get someone to fold on the turn(edit: as in, someone that might peel until the river with overcards in most situations). you can also check any god awful turn that may come. you're equity probably isn't massive, but, I do think that its enough to push(haven't run pokerstove, and it'd be really hard to put any of the idiots that you were playing with on any real hand range)

[El Tigre]

hmmmmmmmmm, i don't like the preflop call but you wanted flop advice so nevermind. I think I call here and take a look at the turn. If it comes an Ace or something like that I think its a check/fold, or in this case just fold. But If it is a safe card like a non spade 7 I think you can pop it on the turn. Lets just hope a Q of non spade comes [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]!!!!!

[deetle]

I raise the flop. the players you describe seem like "check to the raiser" type so raising allows you to take control of the hand and get the extra SB's in with what is probably the best hand. LAG BB betting out could be a draw/overs/weaker 9. Waiting for the turn to raise is a option but if a rag hits and BB bets you may lose the players in between.

[TomBrooks]

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if a rag hits and BB bets you may lose the players in between.

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I would like to lose as many players as possible from this hand and would gladly settle for a 10 BBish pot with a pair of nines, decent kicker.

If Hero raises the flop, SB folds and everyone else calls, there will be 8.5 BB in the pot on the turn. If a blank comes and everyone checks to Hero and he bets, anyone with a gutshot or better is being offered 9.5:1 to take a look at the river. Without the flop raise, they would be getting only 7:1. At least you might be able to get gutshots to fold.

[Carmine]

I like raising if there is a reasonable chance it will get me the button on the turn. Combine that with what will BB do(3-bet to face others with 2 cold)and have them(some) actually fold. Then I may like it even more. Even if it doesn't work as described I think it is a value raise often considering who lead.

[private joker]

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I like raising if there is a reasonable chance it will get me the button on the turn.

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I'm fairly sure he's going to have the button on every street.