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I've been trying to work on thinking ahead in hands . Problem is, I'm not sure what I should have done here even though I was thinking about it. What would you have been thinking while calling this turn? (Please refrain from talking about the PF call, I know it was marginal at best.)
This was actually a 2/4 6 max table at UB, but I'm posting here because I don't think it matters that much for what I'm after.... I'm sb with 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, I complete, option checks. Flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] BB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, I call Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I check, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, I call (should be thinking right now about what I should do if I catch my outs right? What would you be thinking?) River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero? |
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Where did BB go ? (Swap seats with utg1 ? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )
If it is BB who now checks, and UTG changes his mode from checking to betting out you have to at least wonder why. QJ seems unlikely, so two pair looks goods enough- fire one, call a raise from UTG who might think his top pair medium kicker is good. The same goes for the flush/trips, though I could see checkraising those seeing how unlikely they ought to seem to your opp. Oh and btw- thanks for your pooh bah paper, that collection of posts really helped my take a hard look at my game when it really needed one. (It might still, but at least I am (re)gaining confidence.) |
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Yeah...they swapped seats, which I thought was wrong, but Poker Essays II said not to press technicalities in order to keep games good, so I let it go [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I screwed it up. BB checks on the turn and UTG bets.
I decided to try to get a check raise in because I thought at least UTG bets again because the 4 wouldn't appear to help anyone. I was planning on betting a spade. Great! I'm glad that post helped you out! |
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What happened to UTG after your turn call?
[ QUOTE ] What would you have been thinking while calling this turn? [/ QUOTE ] That I really got myself in a mess with my PF/Flop play. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If I manage to hit any of my 14 outs I'm checkraising if my UTG+1 read is that he'll bet again and leading if he's a check-the-river type. |
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Did UTG call?
I would bet out -- too great a chance of getting it checked through otherwise. Esp. like this line if UTG is still around. CR obviously would come out of nowhere, but I would need a strong read that UTG1 is betting. |
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I think the flop call is a little shaky. Not that bad though completing the action with the BD flush.
I think the preflop complete in 1/2 blind structure 6-max game is standard. Folding preflop seems bad to me. I bet/call the river. Whenever the flop bet and turn bet come from two different opponents and no one raises it seems like there's too good of a chance it checks through on the river, IMO. |
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I bet/call the river. Whenever the flop bet and turn bet come from two different opponents and no one raises it seems like there's too good of a chance it checks through on the river, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] I was really afraid of seeing it check through, but I went for the check/raise anyway. Does this make sense since the likely better will be UTG, and then I face BB with 2 cold and maybe UTG folds anyway? Am I better off just calling his bet if I had checked and try to pick up an overcaller..or just screw the overcaller because there's just 1 for a free ride? |
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You're position relative to the turn bet is part of the reason I like just betting out. I wouldn't want to face BB with calling two when I'm very likely to have him beat. I'd rather he call one at a time. Or at least call one.
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You're position relative to the turn bet is part of the reason I like just betting out. [/ QUOTE ] That's what I was thinking after I did it. However, what else could they put me on but 2 pair on this board after I call the whole time and then bet out on an apparent blank? |
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You didn't give any reads (which I think are even more important in short handed games) but I wouldn't assume they're thinking anything really. Maybe two pair. Maybe top pair. I would think the 4 likely improved you somehow. But that doesn't mean they'll think that and it also doesn't mean they won't call with top pair or even a middle pair.
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