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#1
12-07-2005, 11:53 PM
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JJ in the SB -- you\'ll hate this line
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Button calls, Hero folds, BB folds, MP2 calls. Turn: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls. River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks. Final Pot: 14 BB 
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#6
12-08-2005, 12:01 AM
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Re: JJ in the SB
I would comment that I'd played every street differently but it's sort of an odd comment as you didn't even play the last two...
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#7
12-08-2005, 12:03 AM
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Re: JJ in the SB
First, I'm a NL player.
The reason for the call rather than 3-bet. I don't beleive I'm getting any pocket pairs, any small suited connectors in this hand. I do not want to price myself in for the rest of this hand against 5 opponents. If an A,K,Q falls on the flop w/o a Jack I think I can safely assume my hand may as well be Jack high.
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#8
12-08-2005, 12:08 AM
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Re: JJ in the SB
[ QUOTE ]
First, I'm a NL player. [/ QUOTE ] Ah ok, we didn't know. Not that we'll be any nicer.  [ QUOTE ] The reason for the call rather than 3-bet. I don't beleive I'm getting any pocket pairs, any small suited connectors in this hand. [/ QUOTE ] No, but you have a better hand than them that will win more often, and you earn value on every bet that goes into the pot. Suited connectors and low pp's in this case are behind you. The only way they make money is from implied odds. The more they have to put in preflop, the more they have to make up postflop and the less profitable their play will be. This means you gain. [ QUOTE ] I do not want to price myself in for the rest of this hand against 5 opponents. If an A,K,Q falls on the flop w/o a Jack I think I can safely assume my hand may as well be Jack high. [/ QUOTE ] Weak-tight thinking. I am not loving those cards, esp an A, against this crowd, but by no means are you automatically beat on say a Q high board. Furthermore, you will flop an overpair a subtantial portion of the time (half?). And sometimes overs will fall with a J. Anyway, you're putting in 1/6th of the money for a hand that will win well over 1/6th of the time (maybe 45/50%?). Huge profit there, don't pass up on it. All those times your opponents miss the flop, you gain bigtime. And that will be often.
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#9
12-08-2005, 05:20 PM
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Re: JJ in the SB
[ QUOTE ]
Weak-tight thinking. I am not loving those cards, esp an A, against this crowd, but by no means are you automatically beat on say a Q high board. Furthermore, you will flop an overpair a subtantial portion of the time (half?). And sometimes overs will fall with a J. Anyway, you're putting in 1/6th of the money for a hand that will win well over 1/6th of the time (maybe 45/50%?). Huge profit there, don't pass up on it. All those times your opponents miss the flop, you gain bigtime. And that will be often. [/ QUOTE ] That is just a fantastic post. Concepts straight out of SSHE, which is the first book you should read over and over again if you are a NL player but you want to learn limit.
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#10
12-08-2005, 06:37 PM
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Re: JJ in the SB
Good post!! I agree! If you had to play this pre-flop scenario over 1,000 times . . . on average you make more money with the 3-bet.
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