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overcall?
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Both Villains are fairly passive post flop. MP1 is 35.8/4.66/1.15/32.22/41.38. About all I know about him at this point is that he cold calls too much. The other guy is 56.88/1.88/0.82/32.69/47.06. Both have shown some aggression post flop, but nothing noticeably out of type. Table is ok. Not a lot of pf aggression. Pretty average post flop aggression. I'm solidly negative and may have overplayed a few hands (I'm sure I overplayed a few hands, just not sure whether they've happened yet). Mostly I've been watching reasonably strong hands end up second best. Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls. Turn: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls. River: (13.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero ??? Can I overcall here? |
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Re: overcall?
*grunch*
I wouldn't. MP2 could have a busted draw or J high, yes. But chances are very good that MP1 has 2Pair or better and you are ahead of J9 only. I'd dump it, but I'm on tilt. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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Re: overcall?
[ QUOTE ]
*grunch* I wouldn't. MP2 could have a busted draw or J high, yes. But chances are very good that MP1 has 2Pair or better and you are ahead of J9 only. I'd dump it, but I'm on tilt. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] OP has the best possible two pair on this board except for KK and AA in the hole. I think "overcalling" in this situation is irrelevant; the question is can we even call the bettor? I think most of the time he has a lone J, I'd call since the pot is big. p.s. that was a semi-grunch before seeing the results [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Re: overcall?
I think you'll see J9 QJ AJ, KJ even J8 or 88 from both of them more than 1 in 15 times.
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Re: overcall?
Do we really fold an overpair for 1 bet in a 15 BB pot?
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Re: overcall?
Every so often a hand comes along that makes me think about the oft cited maxim about not folding for 1 BB in a big pot closing the action.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls. Turn: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls. River: (13.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero folds. Final Pot: 15.25 BB Results: MP1 has 8h Jh (two pair, jacks and tens). MP2 has 9d Jc (two pair, jacks and tens). Outcome: MP1 wins 7.62 BB. MP2 wins 7.62 BB. I was understandably grumpy. Error or < 1/15 + too results oriented? |
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Re: overcall?
Its hard for me to make an unbiased decision given the results are shown. You have a pretty good hand. Bet on the river, its only 1 bet. Now if it were raised up by these villains then I would fold, but going all the way with this good pot and folding for one bet is not the way to go.
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Re: overcall?
i'd call. you almost always have MP2 beat and MP1's hand hasn't been defined clearly yet. J9/QJ from MP1 is still possible.
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Re: overcall?
Wow. This hand kind of sucks. I want to bet the turn for info, but that's useless, and I'd like to find a fold, but given your reads, I think I play it the same way. I'm just not folding the river getting 15.5:1
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Re: overcall?
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Wow. This hand kind of sucks. I want to bet the turn for info, but that's useless, and I'd like to find a fold, but given your reads, I think I play it the same way. I'm just not folding the river getting 15.5:1 [/ QUOTE ] you know he has a one-card OESD on the turn right? OESD + counterfeiting outs + possible best hand would make a turn fold to one bet very bad. |
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