KQo A Big Loser. Hand 1.

TomBrooks · #1 08-06-2005, 04:07 AM

I just realized that KQo is a big loser for me. I have it tracked 267 times. Is anybody else having a problem with KQo? This should not be happening. I have started reviewing it. I see I am overplaying it sometimes. I see some times where I make Top Pair but I should be letting it go.

Here's a hand I didn't want to give up on. The river call was clearly a mistake. What do you think of the flop and turn though?

PTY 1/2 6 max

I don't remember what read I had on SB. Looking at his stats now they are 40/0 over 30 hands. A little loose and quite passive. (Is it possible to see post flop aggression on opponents? I don't see a way to bring that up.)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

I figured SB could be betting out with a King I probably have outkicked, so I raised.

Turn: (6 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

macdaddy991 · #2 08-06-2005, 04:20 AM

Without any reads, I don't think this was seriously overplayed.

Eeegah · #3 08-06-2005, 04:24 AM

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I don't remember what read I had on SB. Looking at his stats now they are 40/0 over 30 hands. A little loose and quite passive. (Is it possible to see post flop aggression on opponents? I don't see a way to bring that up.)

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Double click on that player's name in the list and all the stats will change to reflect his/her play; you can then find his/her postflop aggro through the "More Details" button the same way you find your own.

As for the hand, I certainly don't see any overplay; looks like you got hit with a set. I might fold the turn U/I if he was real passive. FWIW ATo is my unlucky hand, winning maybe 25% of the time at best. I hate ATo [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Yort Mada · #4 08-06-2005, 04:29 AM

i would had played it the same way. i like the flop raise btw.

Trix · #5 08-06-2005, 04:33 AM

I call down from the turn aswell, but I dont love it, just can´t fold here without a read.

Often just call on the flop when you are closing the action here and then raise him on the turn. The lead is mostly something you beat. Usually middle pair or such.

Make sure you make a note on his betting here if he showed you 2 pair or a set, then you may be able to fold earlier another time.

sirana · #6 08-06-2005, 05:26 AM

grunching

I probably play it the same way you did. flop raise is a must here in my oppinion, but i just call down after the 3bet. sure it reeks of a set or twopair, but I think there are many Kx that might play it that way.

TomBrooks · #7 08-06-2005, 02:41 PM

RESULTS. FOLLOW UP COMMENTS. PURSUING THE QUESTION.

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i just call down after the 3bet. sure it reeks of a set or twopair, but I think there are many Kx that might play it that way.

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I don't remember what I was thinking when I played the hand, but when I reviewed it, I also felt the flop 3bet reeked of two pair or a set. I raised with Kx. How many people actually three bet with just Top Pair Kx? That is very unusual. It is a maniac play, but this opponent was not a maniac.

When I reviewed this hand, I feel calling the river unimproved was leaking. I was almost sure I was beat. My thinking may have been skewed by knowing the result, but I don't think so - I was, and am, trying to be objective here and not results oriented.

Villian had 44 for a set. When I replayed this hand, putting Villian on two pair or a set seemed to me almost without question.

If he had two pair, calling the flop and turn was correct. If he had a set, folding the flop might be correct but certainly folding the turn would be correct. If your almost certain villian has two pair or a set, but don't know which one, how do you calculate if your getting the correct odds to continue on average?

bottomset · #8 08-06-2005, 03:42 PM

I usually just call the flop here

raising the turn a lot of the time

kapw7 · #9 08-06-2005, 06:15 AM

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The river call was clearly a mistake.

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Folding the river would be a big mistake.

moot · #10 08-06-2005, 07:23 AM

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The river call was clearly a mistake.

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Folding the river would be a big mistake.

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Calling the turn basically commits you to call the river. You should either be folding the turn or calling down all the way. Calling the turn, and then folding the river UI is about the worst way you can play this hand.

I would have probably played it the same way.