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Why did you checkraise?
Party 20 game, 8 handed. CO posts. Folded to the CO who checks his option, I raise 22 on the button, unknown SB calls, BB folds, CO calls.
Flop is QQ4. Check/check, I bet, SB checkraises, CO folds, I call. Turn is a 5. SB bets, I raise... |
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
I think call down mode is better. I'm worried about a 4. A Q is also possible.
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
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I think call down mode is better. I'm worried about a 4. A Q is also possible. [/ QUOTE ] i think calling the turn is the worst of your 3 options |
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
I agree. Raising here forces your opponent to make a decision and your hand becomes very easy to play once that decision is made.
1) Your opponent folds - this is good 2) Your oppoennt 3bets - this is bad and you fold. Net cost is only 2 bb 3) Your opponent calls - you check behind the river or fold if bet into. Net cost 2 bb. Your going to spend only 2 bbs by calling the turn and river you spend the same amount but don't get the oportunity of folding anyone out of the pot. W/all that being said, I just toss my 22 on the turn rather than raise them. If you had a specific read on your opponent I'd like it better. |
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
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I agree. Raising here forces your opponent to make a decision and your hand becomes very easy to play once that decision is made. 1) Your opponent folds - this is good 2) Your oppoennt 3bets - this is bad and you fold. Net cost is only 2 bb 3) Your opponent calls - you check behind the river or fold if bet into. Net cost 2 bb. Your going to spend only 2 bbs by calling the turn and river you spend the same amount but don't get the oportunity of folding anyone out of the pot. W/all that being said, I just toss my 22 on the turn rather than raise them. If you had a specific read on your opponent I'd like it better. [/ QUOTE ] I'm with you until you say that you would rather just fold your twos on the Turn. Why even call the flop c/r then? You don't have enough to call a 2 outer and it is unlikely that the guy is checking any turn card even on a bluff. If you are calling this flop c/r then it should be with the idea of getting to SD. I say we either fold the flop c/r or pop any turn hoping to take it down right there or get a free SD. |
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
you're right about the turn raise. Don't know what I was thinking.
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
Yeah dont really know what I was thikning about calling the flop and folding to the turn bet. I think I meant to say that I'd fold it to the flop c/r.
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
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W/all that being said, I just toss my 22 on the turn rather than raise them. If you had a specific read on your opponent I'd like it better. [/ QUOTE ] I don't disagree, but on a QQ4 flop with a player in between, what does he have? |
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
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[ QUOTE ] W/all that being said, I just toss my 22 on the turn rather than raise them. If you had a specific read on your opponent I'd like it better. [/ QUOTE ] I don't disagree, but on a QQ4 flop with a player in between, what does he have? [/ QUOTE ] just overcards, any ace, a 4, 33-99 if he is a bad player he may still call the turn raise with a worse hand (overcards), and also a decent thinking player will very often release a mediocre (but better) hand here. a raise on the turn is a profitable play against a couple different types of players, so a read is not as important here as in some other hands i think. |
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Re: Why did you checkraise?
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I think call down mode is better. I'm worried about a 4. A Q is also possible. [/ QUOTE ] on a board like this he'll have to fold hands with a lot of outs if he was taking a shot at the flop with A high or somehting. he also may fold a better hand. nevertheless you'll send a solid message to the guy who is, as of now, unknown letting him know not to [censored] with you and keeping his bluffing frequency low which is what Dave has said many times he likes. also, it is, of course, an easy fold to a reraise. what kind of range are you putting this guy on that has a 4 in it? -WT |
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