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Top pair of sevens; flush draw
OK, i'm going to try to get into the hand history thing by posting a few from a just-completed $6 Absolute in rough chronological order. Sorry for the format -- bisonbison can only handle ABS ring games.
Stage #146116547: Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $15 [ 2005-06-27 20:31:45 ] Seat 1 - EP2 $1310 in chips Seat 2 - EP3 $1465 in chips Seat 3 - MP1 $825 in chips Seat 4 - MP2 $1825 in chips Seat 5 - CO $1205 in chips Seat 6 - Button $2650 in chips Seat 7 - SB $1320 in chips Seat 8 - Hero $1460 in chips Seat 9 - UTG $1440 in chips *** BLIND [dealer 6] *** SB - Post small blind $15 Hero - Post big blind $25 Hero - Pocket [4h,7h] UTG - Calls $25 EP2 - Folds EP3 - Folds MP1 - Calls $25 MP2 - Folds CO - Calls $25 Button - Folds SB - Calls $10 Hero - Checks *** FLOP [7s,5h,2h] *** SB - Checks Hero - Bets $100 UTG - Folds MP1 - Calls $100 CO - Folds SB - Folds *** TURN [7s,5h,2h,5c] *** Hero - Bets $150 MP1 - Calls $150 *** RIVER [7s,5h,2h,5c,10s] *** Hero - Bets $300 MP1 - Calls $300 *** SHOW DOWN *** in white <font color="white"> Hero - Show cards [4h,7h] MP1 - Lost mucks *** RESULT *** Total Pot($1225) Board [7s,5h,2h,5c,10s] EP2 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS EP3 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS MP1 - HI: [Lost mucks] MP2 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS CO - Folded on the FLOP Button - Folded on the POCKET CARDS SB - Folded on the FLOP Hero - Total ($1225) HI$1225)Two pair, sevens and fives [4h,7h - B:7s,P:7h,B:5h,B:5c,B:10s] UTG - Folded on the FLOP </font> Comments please? |
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
hmmm... maybe I should just skip to the last hand I played....
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
Do you have a question?
I'm going to give you an answer anyhow. I'm not allowed to bet on the flop with such a beatable top pair. And I'm especially not allowed to keep betting with just a flopped pair of 7s. MY ANSWER IS: NO. |
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
Thanks for the reply. Good point about the question. Am I playing this too aggressively on the flop, turn, and river? (Which of course you answered.)
As for betting the sevens -- in my mind it was maybe 1/3 betting top pair and 2/3 semibluff on my flush draw, until the river where it was 2/3 bluff. I didn't really expect to win at showdown with a pair of 7s. |
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
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I'm not allowed to bet on the flop with such a beatable top pair. And I'm especially not allowed to keep betting with just a flopped pair of 7s. [/ QUOTE ] Ask him again. When you have a flush draw to go with that pair, you at least need to checkraise [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] When I don't CR this I play it this way. |
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
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When I don't CR this I play it this way. [/ QUOTE ] Including the river bet? The rest of it is fine with me, but the river bet seems rather large and I'm amazed that the OP managed to get called by a worse hand on the river. |
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
Last night, I had A6 in the BB, the flop was 654, I bet 2/3 of the pot on the flop and another 2/3 on the 5 turn and got two calls on both streets.
I checked the river and beat 62 soooted and 22. Especially with 1500 stacks, I think I'm betting next time. |
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
Good point about the check/raise. While I don't use the CR enough in passive games because of my fear of giving free cards, this is one case where I'm getting the free card. The only downside is also giving a free card to an overcard to my sevens if my flush doesn't come in.
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
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Including the river bet? The rest of it is fine with me, but the river bet seems rather large and I'm amazed that the OP managed to get called by a worse hand on the river. [/ QUOTE ] I was suprised too. Honestly I put him on some kind of busted draw, maybe a gutshot or higher flush. I thought I might have a better hand, but if so I didn't expect a call. Should I have made a smaller bet, then? But then I'm losing fold equity from, say, a better seven or pocket 8s or 9s. |
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Re: Top pair of sevens; flush draw
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I thought I might have a better hand, but if so I didn't expect a call. . . . But then I'm losing fold equity from, say, a better seven or pocket 8s or 9s. [/ QUOTE ] At a low buyin tournament, I think 8s or 9s are almost never going to get away on this river. There's not much reason to think you have a T or an overpair (some people will check JJ in the BB there when it gets to them, but not so much at low buyins.) The only hand to be scared of is trips, and since you led before those got there I think you won't be taken seriously on that front either. Better sevens may fold, that's pretty opponent dependent. In a nutshell, I think against most opponents you'll have a hard time folding better hands and will get called extremely rarely with worse hands. So betting seems likely on balance to be a losing proposition. If you think your hand is probably best, I prefer check-calling in this spot; that way you can at least hope to get more money in from worse hands here more reliably. |
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