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Old 04-27-2004, 09:39 PM
chrisdhal chrisdhal is offline
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Default AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

I recently moved up to 1/2 and am still coming to grips with raises that actually mean something. Therefore I am wondering about a hand like AQs. Most of the other people I have talked to say that they limp with it, or will re-raise but will not raise outright with it. The reasoning is that it's easy to drop on the flop if you don't hit it. Others have said it's powerful and will always raise with it.

I've played it both ways, but am wondering what the general feeling is. The following hand pretty much did it for me last night and got me thinking about it:


Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $1.
UTG folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players) </font>
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 13.50 BB, between SB and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by SB (13.50 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows 6c 8s (full house, sixes full of eights).
Hero shows Ad Qd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins 13.50 BB. </font>

I'm also not sure my turn play was good (in general, this time it worked out, but long term...). This was SB's 2nd hand and I had no notes on him. Thanks for any help.
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Old 04-27-2004, 09:44 PM
B Dids B Dids is offline
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

Autoraise, not even close.
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Old 04-27-2004, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

There are many more experienced players here than me and I am curious to read their responses. For my part, I am having a hard time thinking of a situation where I wouldn't raise an unraised pot with AQs. At first I thought "maybe not from the linds with numerous limpers" because AQ doesn't play as well against several opponents (or so I've read). But I would still raise because most, if not all, have weaker hands than me and I want them to pay more.

I guess the only time I wouldn't raise PF with AQs is if a maniac was behind me and I could count on him to raise so I could limp re-raise.
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Old 04-27-2004, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

Who is advising you to three-bet AQ but not raise it it?

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Old 04-27-2004, 10:07 PM
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

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Who is advising you to three-bet AQ but not raise it it?

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The most important piece of advice I can give you is to never listen to a single poker suggestion from this guy again.

It is not logical, maybe you misinterpreted it?
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:21 PM
chrisdhal chrisdhal is offline
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

Ya, probably. It was an IM while I was at work today. I was busy, and he's a good player, so I'm guessing I misread it.
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:49 PM
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

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It is not logical, maybe you misinterpreted it?

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Doh! I did misread it. I found the IM log and he said he'd either limp or re-raise, but not just call the 2nd bet.
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

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I found the IM log and he said he'd either limp or re-raise, but not just call the 2nd bet.

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Limping with AQs is not really an option in a normal game. What "2nd bet" are you refering to?
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: AQs - Limp or Automatic Raise?

i would think he means not cold-call the 2 bets, but re-raise and make it 3.
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:54 PM
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Please post the chat log.
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