empire poker school

[crockpot]

http://www.empirepokerschool.com/

is anyone at 2+2 planning a lawsuit for the blatant theft of strategic advice, in some cases word for word?

sad to see that some of the fishies may soon be learning that 9-4 is a 'trash' hand.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi crockpot:

Can you point me to some places where
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the blatant theft of strategic advice, in some cases word for word?


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Thanks,
Mason

[El Dukie]

If you need a good Intellectual Property lawyer, I can recommend several.... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi El Dukie:

Thanks, but we have the best attorney in this field in our area.

Best wishes,
Mason

[TwoGun]

Hi. This is a little late in response, but I just found the thread.

I wrote a significant amount of the articles for the poker school. The articles I wrote were certainly not copies of anything written in any 2+2 literature. All of the words were my words. Like many winning players, my style of playing is similar to that espoused in the 2+2 literature (i.e tight-aggressive), though certainly not the same.

I dont' think you can really copyright an idea like raise with AK suited, and I thought the 'gap' concept was a commonplace idea similar to 'protecting your hand.' I also can't comment about the 7 stud-hi lo article mentioned because I did not write that.

Also, if you read the school, you can see that it is laid out in a different way from the literature. A lot of the beginners section is simply how to play internet poker. The hold'em sections I wrote certainly cannot be considered ot be taught in a similar fashion as hold'em for advanced players (the hands are not ranked and the style of play is not written based on position).

Also, the site is divided between beginner/advanced. I wrote the beginner sections, mainly with the idea of helping someone win a $1-2 game. The advanced sections were
not written with a limit in mind, but it would assume someone who knew the basics of winning at a low-limit game. As anyone can agree, articles are just tips, and no book or article is guaranteed to make you a winning player.

Nevertheless, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to private message me.

[Cubswin]

Mason

I dont think there is anything that is word for word but some of the advice comes close. The one example that stands out in my mind is this one.

Under their quiz section they ask:
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Q. You are in the middle part of a tournament. A good player raises preflop. You have KQ. What do you do?

A.Fold. Due to the ‘gap’ concept, you should avoid confrontation, especially with a hand that is easily dominated like KQ.


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This looks a lot like pg 27 of TPFAP but i guess the quotes mean that is properly sited? Im not really sure...im no IP expert.

regards
cubswin

[crockpot]

i only glanced at a few of the pages, but the "when an ace raises" advice in stud/8 is clearly the exact same as ray zee's in a few places. perhaps this is the only example in the strategy guides, but i doubt it.

[Lindiz]

Hi,

it took w wile do find the empire scool, but...

you wrote "i only glanced at a few of the pages, but the "when an ace raises" advice in stud/8 is clearly the exact same as ray zee's in a few places. perhaps this is the only example in the strategy guides, but i doubt it."

Well, at empire the advice is 3 sentences long, namely: "When an ace raises, you should not play many hands. Dump all of your high pairs because you do not know if the ace is going high or low. Even when playing against a maniac, keep in mind that he is starting with the best card in the deck"

Ray Zee writes, in my book, this advices in a whole page. Sentence one are the same, but common knowledge. Sentence 2 is defeniately not according to Zee. He says to be leary to raise or even playing the high pairs. Not what Empire teaches. Sentence 3 is extremely close to a sentence in Zees book. But again, its common knowledge, and one thing one often hear players saying to eachother.

So: Sentence one: Probulary not have a case
Sentense two: Definiately not have a case, advice differs from Zee
Sentence three: Maybe have a case.

There are som advices in the school that could be from 2+2 books. There are also advices that clearely NOT are from the books, like the power of the 6 in an A2xx hand in Omaha Hi/Lo (at least I have not found it in any 2+2 book). Probulary the writer(s) have put together their text, and then consulted the books available to get a good language (Empire is a greek company I think).

[Lindiz]

Hi Again,

well, I re-read Zees book, and found out that he also advises to fold the high pairs - my error. However, clearely not stated the same way as at Empire.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Lindiz:

I took a quick look at the site and I don't see any problem.

Best wishes,
Mason