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Party Poker 1/2 (10 handed). Loose/ pretty passive table (just what I like [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).
Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and is UTG Hero limps, EP1 limps, EP2 limps, MP3(poster) checks, CO limps, Button raises, arg, blinds fold, all call. Flop(14 SB): 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero bets, EP1 calls, EP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, EP1 folds, EP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls Turn(12 BB): 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls River(15 BB): Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero bets, CO folds, Button folds My question is: should I 3-bet the flop or just call? What would your play be after that? |
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unless there's been no pre-flop raising, this is a pretty loose limp UTG. You've got the weakest ace, and you're out of position.
As for the flop: you're drawing to the nuts, so I think you should just call the raise and see if you can milk any stragglers for another bet if/when your flush hits. |
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unless there's been no pre-flop raising [/ QUOTE ] The table was loose/ passive like I said. [ QUOTE ] got the weakest ace, and you're out of position. [/ QUOTE ] If I don't hit a flush draw, I can lay top pair down easyly if there is resistance. The only reason I call hands like this is because of the flush. |
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should probably have just called that raise on the flop. But considering that you did three bet you could try and act like you were afraid of the turn heart and hope to get more out of them on the river. But that seems way to fancy for 1/2.
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Cap the nut flush draw on the flop every friggin' time. You will win way more money this way than you will lose. You're 2-1 to make flush by river. If the heart doesn't fall on turn you likely get a free card there, whereas if you don't cap it on flop you are paying same amount (so technically it isn't free). If it hits on turn you can get a little fancy and derive even more money out of the pot, hopefully.
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I would only call the flop raise in order to try to keep as many people in this pot as possible. It is extremely unlikely that you are going to win this hand unimproved, so try to get as much money into the pot now without having to put in an extra bet.
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It is extremely unlikely that you are going to win this hand unimproved [/ QUOTE ] I didn't plan to [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. [ QUOTE ] so try to get as much money into the pot now without having to put in an extra bet [/ QUOTE ] Good thinking, I think that is the biggest advantage of calling. I get the same with less. But what if 1 other limper called? Hmmm, diffecult. |
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Cap the nut flush draw on the flop every friggin' time. You will win way more money this way than you will lose. You're 2-1 to make flush by river. [/ QUOTE ] I know, but I was just wondering which way would give me the most. I don't think 3-betting is wrong, nor is calling. I just want to get a better idea of the advantages and disadvantages of both plays and how you continue. [ QUOTE ] If the heart doesn't fall on turn you likely get a free card there [/ QUOTE ] I don't have position, so I don't think I will get a free card. [ QUOTE ] If it hits on turn you can get a little fancy and derive even more money out of the pot [/ QUOTE ] I don't think that's true in this case. If I C/R the turn I probably force the CO out and get the same 2BB. When I just bet out I can hopefully 3-bet to get the most out of the hand. I don't think C/R is a good play after a flop 3-bet/cap. |
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At Gomez's request, here I am!
Cap the nut flush draw on the flop every friggin' time. With position in a multiway pot, I agree. However, you have little chance of your 3-bet buying you a free card on the turn, and in this case your 3-bet is making multiple players call 2 bets, so you may not get any value off of the raise either. So the two of the there reasons to pump a nut flush draw on the flop (free card potential, value, and deception) are not with you in this case. The only positive I can see here is that your hand is disguised should you hit on the turn. I like calling in this particular hand. BTW, I wouldn't have check-raised a K-high flop with my nut flush draw. If your opponents are even slightly observant, they probably noticed that you're a tight player, and that you wouldn't limp in UTG with a K. Then again, maybe I'm giving them too much credit. GoT |
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Thanks GOT and Gomez!
[ QUOTE ] Cap the nut flush draw on the flop every friggin' time. With position in a multiway pot, I agree. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. [ QUOTE ] I like calling in this particular hand. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I think that's best in this case. Even at Party [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Thanks for your advice, I appreciate it. |
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