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Curtains Hand #1
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Button (t2640) SB (t2390) BB (t1080) Hero (t890) MP (t3000) Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t95</font>, MP calls t95, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Flop: (t235) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero is all in [t795] . Final Pot: t235 |
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Re: Curtains Hand #1
Well, I definately never play it like this. Any reads? One reason why he might do this is because he is OOP, and if he bet out now and is called, and doesn't improve on the turn, he's in an ugly situation. If he's raised here he probably has to let the hand go, or go all-in anyway. But I don't know. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Re: Curtains Hand #1
How many outs are we counting here? Do the hearts count enough to be 8 additional outs (jack counts for straight) when you don't have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Overs and straight are both iffy. IMO the only way this gets action is when its beat or a very close race. If you are of the opinion that this hand has value (meaning you are counting all of your outs as live...) then why not make a value bet instead of potentially driving him out of the pot? For curtains, do you play this the same if you have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ? |
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Re: Curtains Hand #1
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How many outs are we counting here? Do the hearts count enough to be 8 additional outs (jack counts for straight) when you don't have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Overs and straight are both iffy. IMO the only way this gets action is when its beat or a very close race. If you are of the opinion that this hand has value (meaning you are counting all of your outs as live...) then why not make a value bet instead of potentially driving him out of the pot? For curtains, do you play this the same if you have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ? [/ QUOTE ] Yes I play this the same whether my ace is a heart or not. I don't consider that my hand has value! What I mean is I definitely want my opponent to fold. However I cannot bet and then fold myself as my opponent could either be bluffing, or I will often have too many outs to justify folding once the pot is so large. Sorry if Im not answering the question well, but IMO this is a really standard allin. I barely even look at the table to make this play. I just see the 3 hearts on the board, see that I have one in my hand and that I have only 3 times the pot in my hand, and move allin. |
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Re: Curtains Hand #1
To summarize - the key to this hand is that you cannot bet and then fold to a raise. Also you don't want action. Thus you move allin to discourage the action. If the pot had 100 chips in it, instead of 250, the play would change.
Please note that Im practically a coinflip here against top two pair. I simply cannot fold this hand NO MATTER WHAT after the flop. This is not at all a close or difficult decision. |
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How did a 215 get down to five players in level 2? And how did MP get hold of those 3000 chips?
Anyway, if he is a donkey and calls with Q7, hero is still in pretty good shape. So I like it. |
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Re: Curtains Hand #1
This hand is totally standard for me and has nothing to do with reads. Basically my hand is too strong to fold if I get raised, as I have too many outs against one pair hands (and some against 2 pair hands), and can't put a large % of my chips in the pot and then leave them in with such a big draw. Meanwhile I don't want to encourage my opponent to come over the top of me or bluff me, when all I have is ace high with a flush draw. Also the 235 chips in the pot are worth something signifigant. For the above reasons allin is clearly correct IMO and everything else is terrible. btw should I wait some time before responding to this stuff? |
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This hand is totally standard for period [/ QUOTE ] FYP I don't see how anyone else can suggest another line, your reasoning is spot on and nothing else makes any sense. |
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Re: Curtains Hand #1
Does anyone ever consider check raising all in here, particularly against a thinking opponent? If you check, its likely your opponent will bet, but not bet so much to take away your FE on your raise. I wonder how many more hands your opponent will call with when you cr here than just bet out? I'm guessing not many. He might call with less hands. A thinking opponent might even muck a hand like KQ here at this level, since a cr on the flop in this situation usually represents such a powerful hand.
moses |
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Re: Curtains Hand #1
I just feel that Hero wouldn't mind a call for part or all of his stack here since he has 2 overcards + double draw (although not a nut flush draw and the straight his a gutshot). I feel a check raise is a decent option since at worst seing a free turn is good.
As for getting reraised if not going all in I would instacall getting surely the odds against almost anything (Ace of hearts is the worst card obviously, but you are a favorite against top pair!) I still like the all in, and have no problem some people considering it standart, but saying it is the only option seems wrong to me. |
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