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Old 10-23-2005, 03:29 PM
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Opponent is short stacked and an idiot. Fairly LAG. He raised with QJo preflop, bet pot on flop, and on turn with OESD vs an opponent who was basically put all in with his turn bet. I thought this was a no brainer but after seeing some of the stuff you guys fold to raises I wasn't sure.

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BB ($1600.10)
UTG ($1580.05)
MP ($153.20)
CO ($160)
Button ($66.30)
Hero ($394.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $4.
UTG calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $66.3</font>, Hero calls $64.30
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Old 10-23-2005, 03:30 PM
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Your AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is still a drawing hand. I wouldn't call here.
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Old 10-23-2005, 08:08 PM
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Your AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is still a drawing hand. I wouldn't call here.

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are you serious?
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Old 10-23-2005, 08:26 PM
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Yeah, I hate this reasoning too.

In an interview about a final hand at one of the WSOP tournaments, Mike Matusow was talking about someone sucking out on him, and the interviewer said "actually, his draw had about even odds of beating your hand" and Mike goes "yeah, but would you rather put your money in with a draw or a made hand".

Duh, it doesn't mean [censored] if the percentages are the same.

But just so we're clear, Mike Matusow &gt; Me @ Poker
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Old 10-23-2005, 03:31 PM
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looks like an easy call
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Old 10-23-2005, 03:36 PM
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It's only 15bb against someone who is a moron. Furthermore, he's on the button, so he's more likely to do this with complete garbage trying to steal the pot. I think worst case you're up against QQ. But most the time, I expect to have Villain crushed. This is the exact same type of Villain who miniraises with AA or KK, so I think we can normally figure he doesn't have those hands. Call.
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Old 10-23-2005, 03:37 PM
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Thanks for the quick responses. He ended up having 88, but I'm fairly certain he would probably do this with ATs+, KJ+, etc.
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Old 10-23-2005, 03:43 PM
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I'd fold. Even an idiot can pick up a pocket pair sometimes, and you're behind any pair (except maybe 22 with no 2h, in which case you have +EV .002).

Maybe if he goes all-in 3 or 4 hands in a row like this, AKs would look better in this situation. Or, given his short stack, if you acted first and raised to $20 and he re-raised all-in, maybe calling another $40 would be OK given his range of hands. But, with nothing in this pot, no implied odds, and plenty of opportunity to stack him later, I'd fold here.
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Old 10-23-2005, 03:48 PM
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I don't care about variance, I just want to make sure this is a +EV play. As long as he does this with this range..

Hand 1: 59.0897 % [ 00.54 00.05 ] { AhKh }
Hand 2: 40.9103 % [ 00.36 00.05 ] { AA-77, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-ATo, KQo }

Shouldn't we call every single time? I think this range is actually a little tighter considering it looks like he wants to just go home now.
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Old 10-23-2005, 03:50 PM
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If that's his hand range, yeah of course you call. In my experience though these short stack douches usually have a pocket pair when they do this though [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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