Baby Pair and Baby Flush Draw - Turn decision

[LaggyLou]

This is literally my first hand on the table, so no reads EXCEPT that I recognize the handle of the button and I have the sense that he knows what he's doing.

Party Poker 2/4 7 handed

Hero is BB and is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

<font color="blue">(5 players, 5SB)</font>
Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="red">Button raises</font>, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font>(????), UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="red">Button caps</font>, all call.

<font color="blue">(4 players, 10.5 BB)</font>
Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero.......??????????

[Fat Nicky]

Do you want to pay 3 big bets to see a river? With 2 other players raising on the flop, this scenario is likely. Let these players bet your draws for you and hope to see the river for no more than 2 big bets.

[butters]

I'd check and see what develops. With two other callers, I'm doubting your flush draw is good.

[LaggyLou]

OK...

Hero checks, checked around to Button, who bets. Hero ....... ?????

Assuming you're still around, what's your river play?

[chesspain]

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OK...

Hero checks, checked around to Button, who bets. Hero ....... ?????

Assuming you're still around, what's your river play?

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Ah...calls the turn and checkfolds the river unimproved.

[LaggyLou]

I raised. I put the button on a flush draw and thought that my pair of fives might have him beat but not the other guys, and if so I wanted them out. Bad thinking? I figured that two cold would be hard for them to call, but that if I was wrong about the button being on the flush draw and he 3-bet it then I could call and my heart outs were probably good.

The players in between folded, and the Button called.

The river was the 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Value bet, or check-call? If bet, fold to a raise?

[Fat Nicky]

I don't like your turn raise. But, based on the line you took, I think you bet the river.

[molawn2mo]

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I raised. I put the button on a flush draw and thought that my pair of fives might have him beat but not the other guys, and if so I wanted them out. Bad thinking? I figured that two cold would be hard for them to call, but that if I was wrong about the button being on the flush draw and he 3-bet it then I could call and my heart outs were probably good.

The players in between folded, and the Button called.

The river was the 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Value bet, or check-call? If bet, fold to a raise?

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Given your name, a name that I suspect has been well earned, you bet the river and YHIG.

Button could have QJ or a small set. Putting him on a flush draw is wishful. The sequence of events that you "envision" is highly unlikely, not impossible, but highly unlikely.

This was big time spewing, imho.

[bisonbison]

Ah...calls the turn and checkfolds the river unimproved.

Listen to chesspain.

[Tony.T]

I would not bet in that spot(flop), you have bad position and to many opponents to win the pot with a bet. Worst case scenario is that you bet, get raised and by that make people fold while you are drawing