Party 55s - 99 on the bubble vs big stack

murfnyc · #1 10-03-2005, 08:29 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero ???

I had a hard time deciphering the min-raise. Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

lorinda · #2 10-03-2005, 08:38 PM

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Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

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It almost certainly means one of those two things. I tend to call here and fold most flops, but then you could have guessed that about me anyway. I assume that when I connect I'm going to double through very often here,(They either have an overpair, or I can get them to try more mini bluffs until they pot commit themselves) so I don't think folding preflop is very good and I'm pretty sure that pushing is unwise.

Lori

murfnyc · #3 10-03-2005, 08:38 PM

So I just called figuring to lead most flops.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero calls t275.

Flop: (t1400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

lorinda · #4 10-03-2005, 08:41 PM

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,(They either have an overpair, or I can get them to try more mini bluffs until they pot commit themselves)

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This is why I don't lead at most flops if I miss.

Although it is probably wasteful, I stick to the plan of giving this pot up. It's not a disaster, if we play this hand weak we are still looking at a healthy ITM and our "bad" play in this pot will probably cause him to make mistakes later in the tourney.

If I feel like I can get to the river extremely cheaply, I will take that option, but my plan was to fold so I stick to the plan.

Lori

murfnyc · #5 10-03-2005, 08:51 PM

Well, this is about as good a flop as I was going to get (w/o spiking a set). So I fire a 1/2 pot bet, after the BB calls, I am now done with hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero calls t275.

Flop: (t1400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t800, BB calls t800.

Turn: (t3000) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: (t3000) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t1000, Hero ???

Once again I have been put a difficult decision, is this a value bet or an attempt to steal this large pot?

I am getting 4-1 on my money, do I close my eyes and make the crying call?

lorinda · #6 10-03-2005, 08:58 PM

I think that having got this far, you now have to call.

It is precisely this mess that makes me fold on the flop, because although at each stage you appear to be getting good odds... you're only actually getting evens for the whole deal.

At this point however you're getting such monster value that I think calling is correct.

These pots very often end up this way if played to their conclusion, which is why I try to avoid playing them to their conclusion unless I think I want even money.

FWIW I think posting in this manner is very constructive as it stops any aftertiming at all from those who reply.

Lori

murfnyc · #7 10-03-2005, 09:06 PM

Lorinda,

Thanks for your responses. I do agree that this is a pot I am not sure I want to be involved in and in retrospect I should have played it for set value after getting re-raised.

And yes I did make a crying call and he showed KK.

Do you think if I make a smaller bet on the flop say 400tc (Harrington's probe bet), that buys me any info?

murfnyc · #8 10-04-2005, 09:27 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero ???

I had a hard time deciphering the min-raise. Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

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Bump....wondering if I could get a few more responses to this..

jedinite · #9 10-04-2005, 11:50 AM

I too like Lorinda's suggested line. Among other things, folding sets a bad precendent and now you're getting better than 3-1 to call. I'll call here, you've got enough chips to still exploit the bubble. And as suggested, i won't lead a lot of flops but will hope to get this hand shown down cheaply.

kevstreet · #10 10-04-2005, 12:54 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero ???

I had a hard time deciphering the min-raise. Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

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Bump....wondering if I could get a few more responses to this..

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I know this is a $55, more astute players than the $22-$33s, but still you're the only stack that can cripple the BB so I think he is showing strength. I know this play may be made from crafty players that play the big stack well but now I'm definitely playing the 9s for set value because you're still in decent shape if you miss.

As far as pushing pre-flop, I really don't like it. Especially who I'm pushing in to and at the blind level you're at.

Any chance you recovered from this hit?