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11-24-2005, 12:48 AM
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Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
This hand occured playing 2-5 NL. The opponent in the hand is as nice and honest a guy as you'll meet, so I can almost guarantee he wasn't trying to pull any shananigans.
I go heads up to the river with the player sitting to my immediate right. He's led the action and there's apx. $130 in the pot. I make my baby flush on the river and he's first to act. With chips in his hand he thinks for a little bit. I'm watching him and the dealer says check. Hearing this I quickly grab a stack of chips and cut out a $50 bet. As my chips go in the middle, opponent says "I didn't check." I finish cutting out my bet and he says "OK, leave it out their" and than he thinks and raises another $100. I quickly call and he shows a bigger flush. I mention to him that the dealer said check, and ask how much he was going to bet. He said he was going to bet $100 and offers to give me $25 to split the additional money I lost on the river. I take it instead of making a fuss or calling the floor. If the floor comes over what would the ruling be? This was the dealers last hand, the new dealer witnessed the hand and later verified that action happened as I described it. 
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#2
11-24-2005, 01:22 AM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
Are you sure the dealer didn't say "check?" as in: "Sir, was that a check?" I see dealers do this a lot.
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#3
11-24-2005, 04:47 AM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
I guess I do not see the problem because you never folded.
If you would have checked after the dealer declared check, then I would be pissed, but you bet. He had the best hand and won while you voluntarily called his bet/raise, whatever you want to call it. You basically described a check-raise. I am wondering why the guy gave you $25. Were you gonna give him some money back if you won?
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#4
11-24-2005, 12:01 PM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
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I guess I do not see the problem because you never folded. [/ QUOTE ] Player A did not check. He was not planning on checking. He was going to bet $100 and Player B was going to call and just loose $100. Dealer messes up. Player B bets $50 out of turn, by Player A's own statement. Player A check-raises $100 more, which Player B calls, making it $150 total he loses on the river, $50 more than he would have lost, had the hand been played in order. Player B realizes that the dealer's error [and his shady play] made him $50 extra, and gives half of it back. opponent says "I didn't check." At this point the dealer should stop daydreaming and stop the action. If Player A did not check, Player B takes his bet out and it is up to Player A to act first. No "OK, leave it out there". I am sure Player A would have insisted on acting first if Player B had indicated he wanted to check behind.
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#5
11-24-2005, 01:57 PM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
Argus, thanks for clarifying the situation. I note this though:
[ QUOTE ] Player A did not check. He was not planning on checking. He was going to bet $100 and Player B was going to call and just loose $100. [/ QUOTE ] Why would you want to "just lose $100"? Player B thought he had the best hand and called the psuedo check-raise. One way to look at this is that it could have saved player B $150, I am sure the floor would allow him to take back the $50 and simply fold. You are usually behind when you get check-raised, especially in a show-down. However, it is hard to lay down a flush.
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#6
11-27-2005, 05:00 AM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
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Dealer messes up. [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely the dealer's fault. "Player A" sat silently, and was as motionless as a cigar store Indian. The dealer, for reasons only he knows, decided to announce "check". Probably, a player at another table BEHIND Player A checked, prompting the dealer's erroneous announcement. Or perhaps the dealer was watching a hockey game on tv, and reacted audibly to a solid bodycheck. "CHECK!!!" I can't think of any other reason why a dealer would announce "check". But one thing is for sure, there is no way that Player A absent-mindedly moved his hand while his brain was focused on trying to decide how much to bet on the end. Later, when the out-of-turn bet was allowed to stand, that was also entirely the dealer's fault. "Player B" has no obligation to protect his hand, or his action. He is blameless.
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#7
11-27-2005, 05:02 AM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
Dude, shut up. The gimick account has already lost the humor that didn't exist when you created it. Yada yada yada dealers fault yada yada. Man, you really need a life to just sit there creating useless posts such as the first 3 you made.
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#9
11-27-2005, 05:10 AM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
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[ QUOTE ] Dealer messes up. [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely the dealer's fault. "Player A" sat silently, and was as motionless as a cigar store Indian. The dealer, for reasons only he knows, decided to announce "check". Probably, a player at another table BEHIND Player A checked, prompting the dealer's erroneous announcement. Or perhaps the dealer was watching a hockey game on tv, and reacted audibly to a solid bodycheck. "CHECK!!!" I can't think of any other reason why a dealer would announce "check". But one thing is for sure, there is no way that Player A absent-mindedly moved his hand while his brain was focused on trying to decide how much to bet on the end. Later, when the out-of-turn bet was allowed to stand, that was also entirely the dealer's fault. "Player B" has no obligation to protect his hand, or his action. He is blameless. [/ QUOTE ] Retard. Moderator? Do you have to let this guy's posts stay up on the forum? These post kind of taint good advice 2+2 is famous for.
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#10
11-24-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: Dealer says \"check\" but the player never checked
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I'm watching him and the dealer says check. [/ QUOTE ] if you were watching him, how did you not know he didnt check?
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