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07-17-2005, 11:23 PM
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RNG
I'm very curious about the RNG, specifically on Party Poker.
I understand basically how the RNG works, but I'm wondering how my actions during a hand actually affect it. Here is an example that I was wondering about. I had Q8s in middle to late position and I was thinking about limping in, but decided to fold. Of course the flop comes QQ8 giving me the nuts and there was plenty of action on the flop. My question is whether my actions and the difference it time that either calling or folding would have taken would have changed the subsequent cards that came out on the board. So if I actually decided to limp with this hand thereby changing the time in which the round of betting took, could I very well have completely missed the flop. I figure this would be the case if the deck is always being shuffled and only decides which card is going to come out when it is time to peel it off. Would this be the case? 
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#2
07-17-2005, 11:32 PM
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Re: RNG
No, at Party the deck is pre-shuffled. You would have hit the flop for a boat.
At UB, the cards come as needed. No way to ever know what the flop would have been. If you want to entertain yourself, try and hit the action buttons at just the right time and when you flop a monster you can feel like a god. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] All of the above is only to the best of my knowledge. Nigel Nigel
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#3
07-18-2005, 03:35 AM
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Re: RNG
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No, at Party the deck is pre-shuffled. You would have hit the flop for a boat. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure about this.
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07-18-2005, 03:44 AM
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Re: RNG
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[ QUOTE ] No, at Party the deck is pre-shuffled. You would have hit the flop for a boat. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure about this. [/ QUOTE ] It's true. But the shuffling is based on actions from the previous hand. Someone in here wrote a post about it a while back.
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#5
07-18-2005, 04:43 AM
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Re: RNG
Someone sent an e-mail to party customer service on this subject. He offered a hypothetical situation where he would go back in time and hit call at a different time when he did the first time. He asked if the flop would be different. Party's CS's response started with, "Let me remind you that you cannot go back in time"
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07-18-2005, 07:31 AM
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Re: RNG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No, at Party the deck is pre-shuffled. You would have hit the flop for a boat. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure about this. [/ QUOTE ] It's true. But the shuffling is based on actions from the previous hand. Someone in here wrote a post about it a while back. [/ QUOTE ] this is NOT true. on party's website they specifically state that they generate the cards using REALTIME entropy, from thermal noise, etc, which includes, among othere things, various players mouse movement, etc.. not that it should matter, as discussed earlier. you should, as stated, make your correct decisions seperate from what the rabbit-hunted flop shows. but, the op's original premise is correct, his actions would have changed the entropy.
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#9
07-18-2005, 08:28 AM
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Re: RNG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No, at Party the deck is pre-shuffled. You would have hit the flop for a boat. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure about this. [/ QUOTE ] It's true. But the shuffling is based on actions from the previous hand. Someone in here wrote a post about it a while back. [/ QUOTE ] this is NOT true. on party's website they specifically state that they generate the cards using REALTIME entropy, from thermal noise, etc, which includes, among othere things, various players mouse movement, etc.. not that it should matter, as discussed earlier. you should, as stated, make your correct decisions seperate from what the rabbit-hunted flop shows. but, the op's original premise is correct, his actions would have changed the entropy. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think that is correct. The shuffle is based on realtime entropy, however once cards are dealt, they are no longer shuffled. So once the hole cards are dealt, the flop, turn and river will be the same regardless of any action.
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#10
07-18-2005, 08:38 AM
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Re: RNG
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At UB, the cards come as needed. No way to ever know what the flop would have been. If you want to entertain yourself, try and hit the action buttons at just the right time and when you flop a monster you can feel like a god. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] All of the above is only to the best of my knowledge. Nigel Nigel [/ QUOTE ] Is that true about UB? I swear the flops are manipulated. I recently signed up there to get some rackback and the 40% bonus, and have had nothing but absolute junk for almost a week. I've never ever ever experienced a drought like I have at UB, and I am getting very suspicious. I have played at 5 sites, UB being my 6th and what I have seen is unbelievable. On 3 separate occasions yesterday alone, I went 25+ hands in a row that didn't pair me on the flop. One was 26, one was 29, and the third time was 27. I think that is unbelievable. I played in a 6 seat SNG and after the first 4 hands were dealt, I didn't see a face card. I think it was 55 hands or so until I got 2nd due to 4 other players seemingly dumping their chips to the eventual winner. Heads up began like 8000 to 1000 or something. Never seen a downswing like that ever. I did get sucked out a few times, but in a week of playing there I made very very few hands. I don't remember one time that I sucked out on someone else, and I lost 83.5% of coinflips. I would raise with AKs and know for a fact the flop would miss me, and did damn near every time. I think I'm done on that site, and am heading back to Party or Stars where their decks are shuffled and then left alone until the hand is over.
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