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06-23-2004, 10:38 AM
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Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey
I'm new to poker and trying to learn as much as I can as fast as I can. I play hold em and notice that if I strictly adhere to Sklansky's hand groupings by position I ...
1. Pretty much insure a profitable session every time. 2. Don't play very many hands at all. 3. FEEL (yes, I only play on line) that people are annoyed with me. 4. Don't get much action when I play. 5. Have people do wild raising on me when I limp. Therefore I found I need to change my image; to un-rock as it were and remain profitable. So here is how I go about it. What I'm looking for is feedback on what I'm doing right/wrong and any extra ideas you might have. 1. When there are consistently few pre-flop raises; I loosen up on my starting requirements up front. 2. I see the flop with just about any reasonable hand when I'm unraised in late postion. Just doing these things seems to erase my 'destestable rock' image even though I still get to fold a lot of hands. Are there ways to expand/improve on this? Any cautions? Thanks, /Mayhap 
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06-23-2004, 12:12 PM
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Re: Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey
Your image is practically meaningless in low limit games, forget about that. The fact that other people are raising you all the time when you limp or folding when you raise is all just an illusion. Nobody pays attention, they're not that receptive, trust me. Just play premium hands and don't bother bluffing, they'll pay you off.
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06-23-2004, 12:34 PM
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Re: Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey
1. Pretty much insure a profitable session every time.
impossible 2. Don't play very many hands at all. they vastly underrate the values of pairs and suited aces (I play them from any position in a loose game) and overrate the values of suited connectors, which should be played under much more specific circumstances (good position, guaranteed multi-way pot) than pairs and suited aces. you can profitably play a lot of hands. 3. FEEL (yes, I only play on line) that people are annoyed with me. doubtful 1. When there are consistently few pre-flop raises; I loosen up on my starting requirements up front. ok... 2. I see the flop with just about any reasonable hand when I'm unraised in late postion. well, I don't know what you mean by "reasonable" (QTo is still a muck, but it seems like a "reasonable" hand), but this is definitely true. you should play a lot looser late than early. you should also consider how many people limp to you. if there's a 3 limpers I'm mucking QJo without hesitation and playing 87s. on the other hand, if there's one limper, I'll play QJ and muck 87s. Just doing these things seems to erase my 'destestable rock' image even though I still get to fold a lot of hands. keep in mind that HEFAP was written for middle limit games. their suggestions are too tight for a low limit game. you can still win, but there are a ton of seemingly borderline hands (like Axs) that can be hugely profitable from any position. Are there ways to expand/improve on this? raise more. do you use Poker Tracker? I'm wondering just how tight you are, and how much you raise preflop. basically you need to learn the value of certain hands so that you can make the decision of whether it's right to play. if you're in an extremely tight game, it might be best to raise 88 UTG and muck 66. however, if the game was loose then you'd limp with 88 down to 22. if you just go by their hand rankings then you're not considering the players in the game. the next step is learning to make your decisions based on the players at your table rather than a chart.
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#9
06-23-2004, 03:55 PM
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Re: Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey
sthief's advice is spot-on.
both you and mayhap should read a lot in the ML and SS forums here. read the hand-histories that are posted and the discussions about those hands. if you are really analyzing those posts you will probably come to learn very quickly that you were not necessarily playing your hands ideally. study in the forums and learn. the idea that you think just pre-flop selection can ensure a winning session each time indicates where you are on this learning curve. the good news is....it only take a little diligence to catch on to some of the ideas over there if they aren't familiar to you already. btw, sthief posts in those forums quite a bit as well....as do some other outstanding players (unfortunately, i don't qualify in that group...YET)
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#10
06-23-2004, 02:31 PM
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Re: Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey
I agree with almost everything Sthief says. He seems to overvalue Axs though. Regardless of whether or not it's profitable for him, I think you, as a beginner, should definatey stay away from this hand unless you are in late position or there are a couple callers ahead of you. Axs is very hard to play post flop, and most players lose money with Axs in early position.
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