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Is this a classic example of when we should just call the flop, and wait until the turn to raise? Board was somewhat coordinated... and I wanted to make sure gutshots didn't get odds to call on the flop.
Thanks in advance for any comments. Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls. |
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No way. We have a staggeringly high equity edge in this hand, we need to push our edges while we can.
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But then gutshots can call profitably for a single bet, and they would not be making a mistake to call on the flop, right?
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But then gutshots can call profitably for a single bet, and they would not be making a mistake to call on the flop, right? [/ QUOTE ] Our raise is not to protect our hand, it is for value. It's the same action, you click the raise button, but we call it for value since draws can call profitably. |
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I wish Ed Miller never would have put the section in SSHE about protecting your hand. This concept is misapplied way too much.
Anyway your flop raise does give the other callers insufficient odds to call with a gutshot. That's the least of our worries though. As far as I'm concerned I want those gutshots calling me, and I want them putting in as many bets as possible. You have a huge equity edge here, and the more bets everyone puts in the more money you make. |
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I wish Ed Miller never would have put the section in SSHE about protecting your hand. This concept is misapplied way too much. Anyway your flop raise does give the other callers insufficient odds to call with a gutshot. That's the least of our worries though. As far as I'm concerned I want those gutshots calling me, and I want them putting in as many bets as possible. You have a huge equity edge here, and the more bets everyone puts in the more money you make. [/ QUOTE ] its a very important section of the book, yes it gets misapplied a fair bit, but correctly applying concepts takes experience, no one just reads SSHE and is an expert the first day at the table |
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But then gutshots can call profitably for a single bet, and they would not be making a mistake to call on the flop, right? [/ QUOTE ] Don't try to trap with monsters like this, just get bets in. There's no need to try to make people make mistakes to protect your hand, you want them in here. |
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Gutshots are getting, what... 15:2 when you raise? They're probably ok with implied odds in this pot, but it's not a clearly profitable call. Let's assume they were getting correct odds. And that there's one out there. You still make money when they call correctly. Run through the math if you're not convinced (this is a serious suggestion, not a snarky "I'm right and you're wrong" sort of thing).
Don't take the nature of the responses the wrong way. People are trying to help you see that you're looking at this the wrong way. |
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Gutshots are getting, what... 15:2 when you raise? They're probably ok with implied odds in this pot, but it's not a clearly profitable call. Let's assume they were getting correct odds. And that there's one out there. You still make money when they call correctly. Run through the math if you're not convinced (this is a serious suggestion, not a snarky "I'm right and you're wrong" sort of thing). Don't take the nature of the responses the wrong way. People are trying to help you see that you're looking at this the wrong way. [/ QUOTE ] Believe me, I sincerely appreciate all your guys' input. I'll be the first to admit I have too much to learn still about the game, and posting threads like this one go a long way in helping me notice the subtle difference between what is the correct play (raising at every opportunity?) and the incorrect (or not as-correct) play (slowplaying). Well, at least it was subtle to me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Again, thanks to all for the advice. |
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umm...no. your hand is too strong to wait.
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