Aces big pot.

testaaja · #1 12-05-2005, 04:32 PM

I'm pretty new to this table and my only notices are that BB and UTG are taking alot of flops.
The pot was so enormous I just couldn't fold this. Do I fold on some street? [edit]I don't think I can fold this without reads(?)[/edit] Comments? Thanks!
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (24.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (16.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (20.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 24.20 BB

#2 12-05-2005, 04:40 PM

pf - correct to raise & cap everytime.

flop - I'm raising here, esp with no reads. You have outs if someone made a set.

Raise the turn? Maybe UTG has KK-TT, in which case only JJ beats you. I probably try a turn raise to see if BB goes away.

With no help, I call but never fold this river. You will win quite often here.

testaaja · #3 12-05-2005, 04:51 PM

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pf - correct to raise & cap everytime.

flop - I'm raising here, esp with no reads. You have outs if someone made a set.

Raise the turn? Maybe UTG has KK-TT, in which case only JJ beats you. I probably try a turn raise to see if BB goes away.

With no help, I call but never fold this river. You will win quite often here.

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Oh I see [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. I was scared on flop and turn and river. I am playing scared and it seems that it's very -EV.
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Sorry, but the flop is the only street played correctly IMO . You need to 3-bet that flop to make it 2 back to BB, plus you have the top overpair!!! The whole hand plays differently from there. I'm assuming you lost since you posted this hand, but you need to regain control on that flop. A bet and raise on that flop from limpers gives you no indication that you're beat. You may have lost this hand but think you're winning on the flop a LOT of the time.

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Indeed I lost this hand and that made me think about if I made some mistakes. I see now that folding is NOT an option. I should've been more aggressive but I just went into coward mode [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. Well atleast I learnt something then. Thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]. Comments welcome anytime!

#4 12-05-2005, 04:52 PM

what were their hands btw? pm me if you dont want to influence anyone else's posts

tyler_cracker · #5 12-05-2005, 04:59 PM

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flop - I'm raising here, esp with no reads. You have outs if someone made a set.

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Hero has neither odds to draw to his set nor any backdoor draws.

#6 12-05-2005, 05:07 PM

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flop - I'm raising here, esp with no reads. You have outs if someone made a set.

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Hero has neither odds to draw to his set nor any backdoor draws.

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Agreed - I didn't mean to imply that the 3 bet was for anything other than value. On this flop, AA is best a significant portion of the time, and 2 more cards are coming . . .

sean c · #7 12-05-2005, 04:40 PM

You slowed down way sooner than i would have. I am 3-betting the flop for sure.

tyler_cracker · #8 12-05-2005, 04:45 PM

I'd rather just call the flop with my one pair since no one is folding for one more (and BB isn't folding for two more on the flop). I'm then raising pretty much any turn.

I don't think you're going to win very often, but you'll definitely win 1/24 times.

#9 12-05-2005, 04:50 PM

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I'd rather just call the flop with my one pair since no one is folding for one more (and BB isn't folding for two more on the flop). I'm then raising pretty much any turn.

I don't think you're going to win very often, but you'll definitely win 1/24 times.

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That's a better line than what I said before upon reconsidering.

#10 12-05-2005, 05:03 PM

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I'd rather just call the flop with my one pair since no one is folding for one more (and BB isn't folding for two more on the flop). I'm then raising pretty much any turn.

I don't think you're going to win very often, but you'll definitely win 1/24 times.

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This line sounds more like you're trying to protect your hand by scaring them out with the double-sized raise, which shouldn't apply here. Either you have the best hand, in which case get as much money in as you can, or you're behind, in which case you're not pushing anyone out. I don't see what the turn raise accomplishes here that the flop raise doesn't.