I don't think enough anymore

Tosh · #1 01-26-2005, 04:41 PM

People, we have an unknown.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises.

dmk · #2 01-26-2005, 04:44 PM

What is your plan on the river if he calls? Bet a non-spade, check a spade? If he bets again on the river then what?

I normally raise the flop and fold to a raise on the turn. Is that a bad idea?

stoxtrader · #3 01-26-2005, 04:44 PM

guess you put him on a flush draw. nevermind his other possible hands.

sthief09 · #4 01-26-2005, 05:05 PM

that's probably how I'd play it, taking a free showdown

Sarge85 · #5 01-26-2005, 05:06 PM

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that's probably how I'd play it, taking a free showdown

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drats - beat me to it.

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

dmk · #6 01-26-2005, 05:08 PM

Is my line bad because your goal should be seeing a showdown?

Sarge85 · #7 01-26-2005, 05:05 PM

Raising here for a "free" showdown?

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

ScottTheFish · #8 01-26-2005, 05:30 PM

Trying to improve my HU play...here's my thinking, right or wrong...

I definitely want to show this hand down, and I'm way ahead or way behind here, right? Won't my raise fold a worse hand and get 3-bet by a better one? Unless the guy is a passive calling station, but here he's unknown.

I would normally just call this down...am I way off?

DMBFan23 · #9 01-26-2005, 05:38 PM

not saying I know how to handle this one, but "I'm way ahead or way behind here" might not be the case if he's semi-bluff betting a flush draw with an ace, for example.

I guess you have to mix up [raising the flop, bet-folding the turn, and checking behind on the river] with [calling the flop, raise-folding the turn and checking behind on the river], both with K hands and hands like this. is there a "standard" line here that universally would apply without a read? (and I mean something as standard as the check-call check-call bet line)

gaming_mouse · #10 01-26-2005, 05:41 PM

This line is best versus a flush draw.

Versus other hands, however -- who you'd like to keep in, if ahead, or get to showdown cheaply, if behind -- it seems that a better line is calling down or waiting till the river to raise. The river raise is probably fine as a single K will be unlikely to 3-bet; otoh, I don't like missing a showdown here or calling a 3-bet. Which is an argument for calling down, which, to return to the beginning, is a crappy line versus a flush draw.

On balance, I think I like it.

gm