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when the flop is paired
You're in BB with something like J8 and see a free flop after 1 or 2 limp. Flop is J44.
Do you have a default move here? |
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Re: when the flop is paired
Bet?
(I would probably bet this particular flop first and only later look to see what my card were). |
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Re: when the flop is paired
I often would bet the flop even if it didn't hit me, recognizing that there's a good chance it helped no one.
But for the same reason -- i.e., people often fold - I'm just toying with the idea of trying a c/r on the flop instead. They'll fold immediately if they have nothing, but at least I'd get one more sb out of it. |
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Re: when the flop is paired
Okay so when the board pairs and you lead off, I know you don't have anything so I'm raising.
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Re: when the flop is paired
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Okay so when the board pairs and you lead off, I know you don't have anything so I'm raising. [/ QUOTE ] In fact, that is a decent play by villain, especially if he sees me doing something repeatedly. But since most low-limit people aren't going to do that - particularly considering he limped in the first place - I don't see that as a big factor in my original question. |
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Re: when the flop is paired
Against a couple people whom you think have nothing, a check-raise really sucks when the free card they take gives them something that beats you.
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Re: when the flop is paired
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Against a couple people whom you think have nothing, a check-raise really sucks when the free card they take gives them something that beats you. [/ QUOTE ] True. I might be projecting my own habits here a bit, because when I see this kind of board, I'm ultra-tempted to take a shot at it, from any position. Thus, I tend to assume that others have the same attitude, but perhaps that's unjustified here. |
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Re: when the flop is paired
My standard line is to almost always bet a flop like that.
My reasoning being that if you check/call then you have no information as to wether or not you have the best hand or not. If you bet and get raised or called - then you can start to gather information. Plus, the irony of check/raising someone that has the hand you represent is too much. Not to mention, if you check-raised me in the spot I would assume you have the Jack w/no kicker in the big blind. (Why c/r the strong hand w/no draws to push out?) Here's my classic thinking that I re-evaluate every time I'm in this spot: I bet. Tricky player: Calls = I'm beat Raises = I have best hand or am outkicked Predictable player: Calls = Beat by kicker, two overs, mid-pair Raises = Beat, but might be able to bluff out of pot reraising I'll bet it less often the higher the unpaired card is. Its what Slansky talks about...slowplaying a hand that might not be the best hand - but is likely to be the best hand at the end IF it is now. Meaning, if it were K 44 I would check through....let someone else catch their J on the river and then get money from them. Plus if you always bet the top pair in this spot - then you can also always safely bet the trips here. It raises your deception value for later. |
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Re: when the flop is paired
with Jx on J44 flop i'm more inclined to like a 20% c/r, 80% lead line.
I would prefer a straight 100% donk with say 98 on a 944 flop as there are more overcards and a c/r won't fold anyone out, if they bet at all. |
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Re: when the flop is paired
If I feel that I never get a free card when I miss this board then I checkraise. Otherwise I bet. You must play your opponents in this situation. Don't miss lucrative opportunities to send a message to the bet-behinds.
BTW, this hand is quite strong in relation to pot size. Getting paid takes precedence over protection. Putting money in this flop with A6 is a substantial error and calling me down is a terrible error. |
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