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Old 10-05-2005, 01:58 AM
Josh W Josh W is offline
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Default I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

This probably doesn't belong in this forum. Oh well.

I was playing in a tight 25-50 game, but a good game. Most people couldn't play very well from the blinds, which becomes key in tight games.

My opponent in this hand fit a certain stereotype. Let me clarify. Based on their appearance, age, gender, race, discussion topics, etc, I thought that they would explode at a bad beat. I had never played with this person before, but knew that they were decent, probably about break-even post-rake (which is an above average player, of course). But I knew that they were a time bomb inside. They played tight, and never seemed to bluff in a few hours of play.

Well, I openraise one off the button w/ 23d. Villain called in the SB, heads up.

Flop came J33, two hearts. Check, bet, call. Turn is Kh. Check, bet, checkraise, call. River was an offsuit 9. Bet, call.

Villain tabled black aces, and I tabled my monster (or is it monstrosity?).

Villain, stuck about 4 racks, calmly turned their cards over, and gently mucked.

I was amazed.

But then, I was saddened that I was amazed. I didn't think I stereotyped people, but it seems I do. Maybe this was the last time.

Still saddened.

Josh
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Old 10-05-2005, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

i dont understand...
why didnt you reraise turn or raise the river?
???
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Old 10-05-2005, 03:44 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

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i dont understand...
why didnt you reraise turn or raise the river?
???

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Old 10-05-2005, 04:04 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

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i dont understand...
why didnt you reraise turn or raise the river?
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Old 10-05-2005, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

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i dont understand...
why didnt you reraise turn or raise the river?
???

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How many possible holdings do I beat? How many possible holdings beat me?

Now you understand.

Josh
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Old 10-05-2005, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

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i dont understand...
why didnt you reraise turn or raise the river?
???

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How many possible holdings do I beat? How many possible holdings beat me?

Now you understand.

Josh
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Old 10-05-2005, 04:20 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

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i dont understand...
why didnt you reraise turn or raise the river?
???

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How many possible holdings do I beat? How many possible holdings beat me?

Now you understand.

Josh

[/ QUOTE ]well, even straight forward opponents will usually put in some action with a fourflush on the flop... and given this steal situation, any K or J could CR that turn, no? not in this game?
seems like a K is more likely than a flush due to the flop checkcall so i think you shouldve raised the river, especially since you can surely fold yo a threebet, but ok. fine. hes exxxtremely tight passive. i get it.
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Old 10-05-2005, 04:26 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

See my response to Mike...AK threebets preflop, any other king likely folds the flop, except KJ.

When the K comes, a Jack prolly doesn't checkraise the turn. This is a tight passive table, not an aggressive party 30-60 game.

Maybe it changes things if I say that "they" wasn't a "they" or even a "he", but a "she". Maybe it doesn't, too.

Josh
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Old 10-05-2005, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: I stereotyped...and I was wrong.

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i dont understand...
why didnt you reraise turn or raise the river?
???

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How many possible holdings do I beat? How many possible holdings beat me?

Now you understand.

Josh
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Old 10-05-2005, 04:07 AM
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not value 3 betting the turn seems kinda weak.
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