Hellmuth

[FishBurger]

Does Phil Hellmuth even play poker anymore? In his lates CardPlayer article he had to call T.J. Cloutier to remind him of a hand he could write about. I think the hand was from a tourney in 1995.

Is Phil just skating on past glory now?

[rerazor]

He's pure hype. I watched the 2002 wsop the other night, the where Hellmuth "lost" the bet over Varoknyis performance and had to get his head shaved. Well Varkonyi wanted to let him off the hook, but Hellmuth *insisted* he follow through with it, because it would be more hype in his direction. His whole image is an act, and frankly from what I've seen of his poker that's overrated too.

[istewart]

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He's pure hype. I watched the 2002 wsop the other night, the where Hellmuth "lost" the bet over Varoknyis performance and had to get his head shaved. Well Varkonyi wanted to let him off the hook, but Hellmuth *insisted* he follow through with it, because it would be more hype in his direction. His whole image is an act, and frankly from what I've seen of his poker that's overrated too.

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You've probably seen barely any of "his poker." I don't think you can call his performance in 1993 overrated.

[Vi_o]

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He's pure hype. I watched the 2002 wsop the other night, the where Hellmuth "lost" the bet over Varoknyis performance and had to get his head shaved. Well Varkonyi wanted to let him off the hook, but Hellmuth *insisted* he follow through with it, because it would be more hype in his direction. His whole image is an act, and frankly from what I've seen of his poker that's overrated too.

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You're a moron.

Raymer is hype, Hellmuth he's amazing.

[TStoneMBD]

IMHO, Hellmuth is by far the most overrated player in poker, by a large margin. Moneymaker and Varkonyi are runnerups. Raymer is overrated by this forum to a severe degree, but not by the poker industry.

[slickpoppa]

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IMHO, Hellmuth is by far the most overrated player in poker, by a large margin. Moneymaker and Varkonyi are runnerups.

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Who overrates Moneymaker? It seems to me that everyone thinks he's a fat fish. I think he's decent though.

[boedeker]

how many wpt final tables does hellmuth have - 3,4? 9 bracelets? come on get with the program.

[DesertCat]

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IMHO, Hellmuth is by far the most overrated player in poker, by a large margin. Moneymaker and Varkonyi are runnerups.

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Who overrates Moneymaker? It seems to me that everyone thinks he's a fat fish. I think he's decent though.

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He's certainly no Varkonyi.

28-Sep-04 Aruba $ 6,000 No Limit Hold'em Final Day
2004 Ultimatebet.com Poker Classic, Palm Beach 18th $ 13,000

03-Sep-04 Ireland € 5,710 Episode 5
The Gaming Club World Poker Championship (Pot Limit Hold'em), Dublin 10th

03-Aug-04 United States $ 300 Pot Limit Hold'em
The Fourth Annual Jack Binion Mid-America Poker Classic, Tunica 3rd $ 10,239

19-May-04 United States $ 5,000 Pot Limit Omaha
35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 10th $ 21,000

03-Mar-04 United States $ 5,000 WPT No Limit Hold'em Championship Final Day
2004 - Bay 101 Shooting Star, San Jose 2nd $ 200,000

19-May-03 United States $ 10,000 World Championship Event
34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 1st $ 2,500,000

[mojorisin24]

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Who overrates Moneymaker? It seems to me that everyone thinks he's a fat fish. I think he's decent though.

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I agree. Moneymaker always gets dissed on these forums, but I think that he is actually a pretty decent player. Sure, he got lucky, yada yada yada, but he's better than most of the posters on here who rip him incessantly.

[Stew]

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IMHO, Hellmuth is by far the most overrated player in poker, by a large margin. Moneymaker and Varkonyi are runnerups. Raymer is overrated by this forum to a severe degree, but not by the poker industry.

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Comparing Hellmuth to Varkonyi is like comparing a Lexux to a Hyundai, come on now. BTW, when you can flash me 9 WSOP bracelets all won in Hold 'em games, then you can argue that Hellmuth is over-rated.