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I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
Who here thinks there is an objective right and wrong, cause I don't
The way I see it they are arbitrary definitions |
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Re: I May Be a Philosphy Noob, But...
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Who here thinks there is an objective right and wrong, cause I don't The way I see it they are arbitrary definitions [/ QUOTE ] Thread over. |
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
and just to clarify, i'm talking like morally right and morally wrong, so i'm saying that to murder some one is only right or wrong depending on some arbitrary set of morals, no one out there disputes this?
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
OK, I'll bite,
Can you explain what it would mean if there were such a thing as morally right and wrong and then show how this is not the case? Is this a fair question to ask? cielo |
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
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Can you explain what it would mean if there were such a thing as morally right and wrong and then show how this is not the case? [/ QUOTE ] maybe, this is the best i can do: some guy claims that and action is morally right if it is doing whatever is best for the greater want of all people then i say couldn't you just as easily declare that's morally wrong? i don't know if this is what you meant. but anyway, if you walk up to a rando and say "do you think murder for fun is right or wrong?" most people will say wrong and i'm curious why these people define right and wrong |
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
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maybe, this is the best i can do: some guy claims that and action is morally right if it is doing whatever is best for the greater want of all people then i say couldn't you just as easily declare that's morally wrong? [/ QUOTE ] Your hypothetical guy has already assumed some standard of good by saying, the "greater want of all people". I guess the question is what is that greater want, or as Aristotle says, the good is, "that toward which all things aim". This is called the greatest good, as all actions are thought to aim toward some final end. [ QUOTE ] i don't know if this is what you meant. but anyway, if you walk up to a rando and say "do you think murder for fun is right or wrong?" most people will say wrong and i'm curious why these people define right and wrong [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean "why" people define things as right/wrong or "how" they define them as right/wrong? As for the Why, they could have been taught them, or perhaps thought them out on their own. I think more importantly is HOW they define things as right or wrong. For example, I think that my life is an end in itself, that is to say, I do not need to justify doing what I think is best for myself, in terms of not sacrificing myself to others. So, for me, at this point (as I have not been convinced otherwise) The things that make my life more fulfilled and worth living are good and those that do not are bad. I don't really use the term "evil" because of the connotations it has to Christianity. I don't know if that made sense, what do you think? |
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
i think it makes sense
so if i asked you if it is good or bad that some guy on the other side of the world gets tortured and murdered, you'd say neither good or bad because it does not affect you (assuming his murder does not affect you)? |
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
Morality is the most useful lie we have ever told.
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
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Morality is the most useful lie we have ever told. [/ QUOTE ] Care to elaborate? cielo |
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Re: I May Be a Philosophy Noob, But...
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[ QUOTE ] Morality is the most useful lie we have ever told. [/ QUOTE ] Care to elaborate? cielo [/ QUOTE ] By following moral rules, we increase our chance at "succeeding" as a species. I judge success on a single basis, existance. Existance is the most base, fundamental "good", as subjectively believed by our society. It is this way because the more we value life, the more likely we are to survive. Since morality is a creation of man, it cannot have any true authority beyond the purpose it serves. For it to function, it must be held as an absolute authority. So we lie, and ascribe morality authority over all, with great results. It is unfortunately ultimately flawed. As we become more rational we lose our inherent obedience to morality (as we lose our belief in religion), which is why it must be substitued for philosophy. Social contract. |
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