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Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
I've seen several posters recommend raising pocket 9's in EP with a limper in a small stakes full ring game. My usual standard stops at TT in EP. I am more interested in seeing a cheap flop unless the table is very tight and I expect it to get folded around. If its that tight then utg will usually have overcards. I would rather try to make a low investment, get callers then win a big pot. Please inform me on:
1. Why you raise. 2. Circumstances to make it right or wrong. 3. How do you proceed with a multiway pot on the flop when over cards are present. Thread advocating raising with 99 |
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
I raise pretty much everytime
1.You probably have the best hand and you want to raise for value. 2.I raise it at pretty much every table, I really dont see the case for limping, except maybe for deception once in a while but at most low limit tables no one is paying attention anyway 3.extremely situational and based on players, maybe post a few examples |
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
i raise 99+ EP every time. limper or not.
1. value; knock out small overcards. 2. you def dont want to limp in with multiple LAGs behind you. you'll get raised and re-raised. then you'd probably have to fold in most cases. which sucks. i can't think of a reason to limp in. 3. bet until told otherwise, with passive players. proceed with caution with aggressive players. it depends. |
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
Personally, I advocate both raising and limping some fraction of the time. I think the key is to achieve 1, 2, 5+ opponents, then play accordingly. Without any knowledge of my opponents, I usually limp EP here and if it is not raised behind me, then I presume no one else has TT+ and play accordingly. In multiway pot (>=3 opponents) and more than one overcard, I check fold under usual circumstances. With only one overcard I will usually bet to see where I stand unless there are 4 or more oppnents. At my level: 2/4 and equivalent BM limits, people love any two cards that add to twenty.
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
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raise pretty much everytime 1.You probably have the best hand and you want to raise for value. 2.I raise it at pretty much every table, I really dont see the case for limping, except maybe for deception once in a while once in a while but at most low limit tables no one is paying attention anyway [/ QUOTE ] I'm still thinking this and others ideas thru. I see two types of tables in small stakes. 1. Loose where any raise will get a couple cold calls, the blind(s) and the limper. Thus I now have invested an extra bet to have a multiway pot where 20 of the 50 cards left will be dangerous to me. These kind of players will call down with any TP and even middle or bottom. If I hit my set I may have limited the action because they fear a big hand already. 2. Tight. I get most to fold. Well I can usually pick up this pot but its a lot less than a big multiway that I can raise, ck raise, 3bet etc the TP, 2pair, draws. If I miss it only cost me 1sb. I can also spew a lot of chips trying to push out a better hand and fail. [ QUOTE ] 3.extremely situational and based on players, maybe post a few examples [/ QUOTE ] I linked the thread that led me to this post. |
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
"1. Loose where any raise will get a couple cold calls, the blind(s) and the limper. Thus I now have invested an extra bet to have a multiway pot where 20 of the 50 cards left will be dangerous to me. These kind of players will call down with any TP and even middle or bottom.
If I hit my set I may have limited the action because they fear a big hand already. 2. Tight. I get most to fold. Well I can usually pick up this pot but its a lot less than a big multiway that I can raise, ck raise, 3bet etc the TP, 2pair, draws. If I miss it only cost me 1sb. I can also spew a lot of chips trying to push out a better hand and fail." 1) I see that you play 2/4. If you hit your set, it is not true in general that you will not get action. If you get 5 callers to your raise then this is perfect. Some will get a peice of the flop some will have overs, and with the bigger pot, they will hang around for more. If you expect 5 callers to your EP raise, then I say raise 99 a lot, if not always. 2) You should be happy with this result, too, as it is profitable. 99 holds up well against 1, 2 opponents. Better to win little than lose big. |
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
please explain why you'd want to raise if you want 5 callers. i would think that if you're expecting 5+ callers, you'd want to limp, though raising is not a bad play. 99s wouldnt' play so well against 5+ cold callers, no matter how loose they are IMO...
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
Careful, that's not what I said. If my goal is 5 callers, then I limp. But, if I believe that my raise will get 5 callers, then I will do so because whether limping or raising, geting 5 callers while holding 99 is +EV. I am drawing to a set in this case.
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
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Careful, that's not what I said. If my goal is 5 callers, then I limp. But, if I believe that my raise will get 5 callers, then I will do so because whether limping or raising, geting 5 callers while holding 99 is +EV. I am drawing to a set in this case. [/ QUOTE ] I reread your post as requested. Is 99 +EV here? |
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Re: Raise pocket 9\'s in EP?
ok i did not state it clearly i guess... my question is:
why would you want to raise if you believe your raise will get 5 callers? if you believe you're getting callers behind you, then ur raising for value. i agree that raising is +EV play also but isn't limping the better play? if you limp (when you believe you'll get 5 callers behind you): 1. you can mask your set when you do hit it. 2. you save money if you dont. as 99 do not play well against 5 cold callers. i generally do NOT want to draw to a set... hence my raise. i raise to knock the weak overcards out which would increase the 99's showdown value. am i mistaken? |
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