Semi-bluffing two donk opponents...

[JinX11]

I think I found a pretty good hand for posting in SS, finally - been a while....

Villians here are both donkish...maybe so is Hero! BB (47 / 14 / 1.2) has been calling down often with bad hands, Button (42 / 11 / 1.9) has been able to find more folds and is a touch over-aggressive given the number of hands he plays.

Hero felt really good about the play when he made it...putting BB on his typical draw chase and putting Button to the test with a nice scare card, hoping to fold him out.


Do most of you semi-bluff here?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...

[JinX11]

Early returns are not so good....can anyone set me straight on why this is a bad play?

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[jason_t]

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Early returns are not so good....can anyone set me straight on why this is a bad play?

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Texture of the Party 2/4 makes this a bad play.

[JinX11]

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Texture of the Party 2/4 makes this a bad play.

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And by this, do you mean that at 2/4, I am not going to fold Button nearly enough to make it worthwhile or....?

Thanks for the reply, j.

[Jake (The Snake)]

You just about never fold either of these guys. All your doing is adding value to their hands IMO.

[JinX11]

How close is it, in your opinion?

Suppose, the turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]....

[jason_t]

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Texture of the Party 2/4 makes this a bad play.

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And by this, do you mean that at 2/4, I am not going to fold Button nearly enough to make it worthwhile or....?

Thanks for the reply, j.

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The event

both villans fold or you outdraw them

won't occur frequently enough to make this porfitable. It's fairly easy to do the calculations and given the way people are playing at Party 2/4 right now you'll see the fold just won't happen enough to make this +EV.

[JinX11]

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The event

both villans fold or you outdraw them

won't occur frequently enough to make this porfitable. It's fairly easy to do the calculations and given the way people are playing at Party 2/4 right now you'll see the fold just won't happen enough to make this +EV.

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I understand.

I think one of the things I still struggle with is not playing straight-forward, ABC poker on occasion. I know it's been said a million times in here that in small stakes, ABC poker is best.

Bluffing and semi-bluffing is still a weak part of my game; it's rare when you have a particular read on one or more of your opponents and a particular scenario occurs during a session that exploits these reads. Because it happens so rarely sometimes, it's tough not to pull the trigger on a play like this when it seems like all of pieces are in place in a single hand.

Thanks, again....

[JinX11]

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Texture of the Party 2/4 makes this a bad play.

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So, what you're saying is I am ready to move up to 200/400??

Sweet!

[jedi]

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Early returns are not so good....can anyone set me straight on why this is a bad play?

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You can't semi-bluff bad players because they'll call you down. The chance that they'll fold is gone, so it's basically a value bet, which you don't have right now.