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AJo......Stage 1 of play along
SB is complete unknown. Only second hand at table.
UTG+1 is an absolute muppet. Massive donator and has reloaded twice. He's on my buddy list for ever. MP2 has moved up to 2/4 recently (along with me). I used to play with him a lot at 1/2. He was always loose and pretty aggressive preflop. He's tightened up a little and overcompensated on preflop aggression. He was always very solid post flop and demonstrated ability to put moves on here and there. So, not a donk. Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (11 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="green">Hero ???</font>, This hand has two decisions with many important concepts (IMO). |
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
i would call this hoping to be able to raise SB's turn bet. i wish the non flush card was the ace, but so be it.
also what's going on in my mind at this point in the hand is that i could very well not show this down. |
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
i'd raise the flop hoping that everyone calls so there is even more money when I make my boat on the turn.
If I didn't know I was going to boat up then I like miles line of calling and then popping the turn to protect my hand. |
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
I think you call here.
If you raise here, UTG+1 is getting 9.5 to 1 to call (2 sb into 19 sb) and MP1/MP2 are getting even better odds if others call. This means that even with only 4-5 outs, they are getting the right odds so Tens and Kings are going to call. And as such your hand is still not protected. With a raise, going to the turn the pot is 10.5BB or larger, with a call its 10.5BB On the turn, I think you can fold to a non-diamond K or T and start raising away with an A or J hitting. With a diamond turn I would call down the turn. With a blank turn, I would hope sb bets out and him raise to get Ks and Ts out. (2 BB into a 13.5 BB pot or 6.25 to 1 to call). If the sb doesn't bet out, if you raise, the Ks and Ts are still getting odds to call. So I'm not sure what to do here. If you raised the SB on the turn, I think I call down the river on any non-diamond (if you didnt hit your house or back door flush). This is my first hand analysis on this board, so if I did anything wrong tips would be nice. Thanks! |
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
[ QUOTE ]
I think you call here. If you raise here, UTG+1 is getting 9.5 to 1 to call (2 sb into 19 sb) and MP1/MP2 are getting even better odds if others call. This means that even with only 4-5 outs, they are getting the right odds so Tens and Kings are going to call. And as such your hand is still not protected. With a raise, going to the turn the pot is 10.5BB or larger, with a call its 10.5BB On the turn, I think you can fold to a non-diamond K or T and start raising away with an A or J hitting. With a diamond turn I would call down the turn. With a blank turn, I would hope sb bets out and him raise to get Ks and Ts out. (2 BB into a 13.5 BB pot or 6.25 to 1 to call). If the sb doesn't bet out, if you raise, the Ks and Ts are still getting odds to call. So I'm not sure what to do here. If you raised the SB on the turn, I think I call down the river on any non-diamond (if you didnt hit your house or back door flush). This is my first hand analysis on this board, so if I did anything wrong tips would be nice. Thanks! [/ QUOTE ] Sounds good to me, except I would raise a diamond turn. |
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
Would you all do the same if Hero had a set???
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
An unknown SB has a few hands here, some possiblities are AQ or AJ(less likely since you hold one of each), KT for the flopped straight, a set, or a flush draw.
AQ is a decent possibility Flopped straight is also well within an average 2/4 players hand to call pre-flop in the sb, but most qould slowplay to the turn. A set is unlikely since he probably would have 3-bet with QQ or AA and you hold an Ace and Jack. A flush draw is also possible and people love to CR flush draws in mutli-way pots. Considering all of this I'm STILL not sure what we should do here. I think flat calling the flop and raising a blank on the turn is correct here, if we get 3 bet on the turn by the SB that sucks but we'll have to call down. |
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
I would raise while I was ahead. Someone is chasing the flush with all those callers in there. Ergo I wouldn't want to raise the turn if a diamond hit. If you are beat you'd also find out if someone 3 bets it.
Don't know if that's helpful, but that's what I'm thinking. |
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
I'm genuinely puzzled as to why anyone wouldn't 3-bet here?
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Re: AJo......Stage 1 of play along
I'm not sure of this Harv, but how often to you think we need to be ahead to 3-bet here. Should we be 3-betting even if we think we might be behind here? The only hand the SD reasonably check-raises on this flop that we beat is a flush draw or possibly QJ.
I guess what I'm saying is we don't need to protect our hand against the people behind us if the small blind has us beat. |
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