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Old 09-27-2005, 07:23 AM
cartman cartman is offline
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Default How often does this line mean a strong hand?

I always get absolutely owned when my opponent takes this line. Villain rarely folds and likes to raise the turn.

PREFLOP: 1 limper to Hero in the BB.

FLOP: Hero flops middle pair decent kicker.

TURN: an overcard to the flop.

Hero checks to get to the showdown affordably because a raise is very likely. Villain checks.

RIVER: blank.

Hero bets and #@!!@##@&&*%^ Villain raises. Hero?
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:38 AM
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Default Re: How often does this line mean a strong hand?

If a raise is likely on the turn, but villain having you beat isn't that likely, there is still great equity in a turn bet.

I would b/c the turn and check the river.

Considering the turn was checked and you bet the river in this scenario, I wouldn't like a b/f line to a river blank. Call him.

BTW....it looks like hero didn't raise preflop, but what was the flop action? Check, check?
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:56 AM
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Default Re: How often does this line mean a strong hand?

Oops. I forgot the flop action. Hero bets, Villain calls.

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Old 09-27-2005, 08:06 AM
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I'm definitely more inclined to continue on the turn despite his high raise %. I believe villain would have bet the turn with either of the top pairs. He probably feels his (likely) turn move won't be as effective without your bet, so he wants to wait until the river and try it there whether you bet or not.

One thing that bothers me the most in this spot is when villain shows down a hand that outkicks you. His accidental value bet makes him look like a world class player.
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:58 AM
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Default Re: How often does this line mean a strong hand?

He wasn't so likely to raise with something worse that I welcomed a raise. I thought betting and getting raised would make me very uneasy and I also thought there was a very high likelihood he would bet the turn if checked to regardless of his hand.

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Old 09-27-2005, 10:21 AM
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Default Re: How often does this line mean a strong hand?

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He wasn't so likely to raise with something worse that I welcomed a raise.

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What % do you estimate he is bluff raising? I normally bet the turn here.
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Old 09-27-2005, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: How often does this line mean a strong hand?

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What % do you estimate he is bluff raising? I normally bet the turn here.

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Am I correct to assume you guys usually call down when you get raised in this spot?

Thanks,
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:39 AM
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Default Re: How often does this line mean a strong hand?

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Villain raises. Hero?

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Does this?



I hate this situation too. I'm not sure what people think of just check-calling again? After all, what are we value betting against? Bottom pair or ace high. Maybe carrying on with inducing a bluff is the best play.
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:45 AM
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Off topic, but do you have any idea of where I can get that animation for use as my AIM buddy icon?
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Old 09-27-2005, 08:18 AM
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Default Re: How often does this line mean a strong hand?

check/call the river

He will value bet most pairs and throw out a few bluffs.
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