Curtains: folding JJ after a call+raise

[45suited]

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UTG (t1080)
UTG+1 (t1180)
MP1 (t985)
MP2 (t1135)
CO (t1030)
Button (t1475)
Hero (t2120)
BB (t995)



Preflop: Hero is in SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="red">MP1 raises t200</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

folding JJ surprises me, especially w/ his stack... is JJ that weak here?

Fold. You'll need the FE in 2 rounds time. The calls is +ev but only marginally IMO.

[microbet]

That's an easy fold against a lot of players. I bet Curtains is familiar with this player. It doesn't take long to know someone is basically TAG early and this raise indicates you are very unlikely to be far ahead.

exactly. if there's a solid read on villian as a tight player or somebody who's only raising with serious good, find a better spot. that's the beauty of playing with the same folks sometimes.

[45suited]

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That's an easy fold against a lot of players. I bet Curtains is familiar with this player. It doesn't take long to know someone is basically TAG early and this raise indicates you are very unlikely to be far ahead.

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I pretty much figured that he was familiar with the raiser, but it is an interesting hand nonetheless. Especially since it's only 175 to call. Obviously, it's a call if the raiser has more chips in his stack.

[Irieguy]

I fold JJ here, too. But it has nothing to do with what type of player the raiser may be and everything to do with the chip stacks involved.

It's funny how one respondant said he thinks hero should call because of his stack, whereas his stack is precisely why I think he should fold.

Irieguy

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I fold JJ here, too. But it has nothing to do with what type of player the raiser may be and everything to do with the chip stacks involved.

It's funny how one respondant said he thinks hero should call because of his stack, whereas his stack is precisely why I think he should fold.

Irieguy

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Care to expand for us noobs?

(I can think of some reasons...but interested to hear your POV)

[microbet]

If you're a big favorite over villian's range, I can't see folding.

I think the one respondant was talking about hero's stack. Are you primarily talking about hero's or villian's?

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If you're a big favorite over villian's range, I can't see folding.

I think the one respondant was talking about hero's stack. Are you primarily talking about hero's or villian's?

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But you can't figure to be a HUGE favorite here. You are probably a small favorite at best, and are hoping to see overcards or an underpair. Risking half of your stack here for what may be a small +EV can't be better than the EV gained from having a ton of FE when you need it most in a couple rounds. I think what Irieguy was hinting at was that this would be a much different hand to play if you had, say, 700-800 chips, and the FE you stand to gain by winning on your small edge was a lot more significant, making a small edge more reasonable to take.