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12-06-2005, 09:33 AM
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Out of Position
Hello,
I have only played Poker for about a year or two, but seem to do ok on the limits I play at (0.50 / 1.00). However, I seem to struggle with the following scenario, and would like some advice from the experts please. AK out of position I have say AK, so I raise it PF. At these limits I'll usually get a few callers. The flop comes down say T72r. Automatically I will bet out as I figure it's expected given I'm the PF raiser. Also, it may get some people out of the pot. The turn the comes another blank. This is where I don't really know what to do. 1) I used to bet out automatically, thinking that if I get raised, I'm out of the pot. Also thinking that a lot of people will call a bet UI on the cheap street, but not on the more expensive one. However, more often than not they will call another bet regardless, so I don't really know where I am. Usually it'll get the river, and I'll check, they'll bet and I'll call. They then show me bottom / middle pair. 2) Sometimes I'll check the turn UI to them, but more often than not, one ofthem will bet out. Now I don't know if they have bet becuase they have position, or because they have hit something. Should I call the bet, or fold ? Obviously it seems a bit weak that I should fold to every bet like this, especially as I've handed them the initiative. Also, I know the pot will make a difference in making the decision, but let's assume the pots are the average of $4-5. Thanks. J. 
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#2
12-06-2005, 09:46 AM
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Re: Out of Position
pf Raise, flop bet, turn bet, riv check is pretty standard line UI.
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#3
12-06-2005, 09:59 AM
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Re: Out of Position
I think the reason AK is the hardest hand to play for people starting out is that TV makes it out to be a monster, which it isn't, and I think most everyone assumes a raiser has AK. So if it is pretty easy for everyone else to know where they are in the hand if the board is small. I think at the small limits you will make more money than you'll lose by never, ever, calling a bet with ace high. Standard disclaimer about reads, etc.
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#4
12-06-2005, 11:13 AM
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Re: Out of Position
[ QUOTE ]
I think the reason AK is the hardest hand to play for people starting out is that TV makes it out to be a monster, which it isn't, and I think most everyone assumes a raiser has AK. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong and wrong IMO. AK is a monster hand, but you still have to know what to do with it postflop. You really think "everyone" assumes a preflop raise means AK?
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#5
12-06-2005, 11:19 AM
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Re: Out of Position
every play is correct in different situations.
post a few examples of hands and they can be differentiated by why some are continuation turn bets and some are flop checks.
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#6
12-06-2005, 11:22 AM
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Re: Out of Position
Depending on what limit/player I face, I may think my AK is the best hand out there even if 4 blanks have come so I bet the turn aswell if I have a good feeling about it.
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#7
12-06-2005, 01:33 PM
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Re: Out of Position
[ QUOTE ]
I think the reason AK is the hardest hand to play for people starting out is that TV makes it out to be a monster, which it isn't, and I think most everyone assumes a raiser has AK. So if it is pretty easy for everyone else to know where they are in the hand if the board is small. I think at the small limits you will make more money than you'll lose by never, ever, calling a bet with ace high. Standard disclaimer about reads, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Pretty much wrong on every count.
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#8
12-06-2005, 01:44 PM
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Re: Out of Position
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[ QUOTE ] I think the reason AK is the hardest hand to play for people starting out is that TV makes it out to be a monster, which it isn't, and I think most everyone assumes a raiser has AK. So if it is pretty easy for everyone else to know where they are in the hand if the board is small. I think at the small limits you will make more money than you'll lose by never, ever, calling a bet with ace high. Standard disclaimer about reads, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Pretty much wrong on every count. [/ QUOTE ] Somebody had to say it.
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#9
12-06-2005, 02:10 PM
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Re: Out of Position
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pf Raise, flop bet, turn bet, riv check is pretty standard line UI. [/ QUOTE ] OOP with "a few" cold-callers, this is often spewage. AK is tough to play OOP when it misses. Failure to raise preflop (if you're worried about cold-callers) is a gigantic leak. Betting the flop UI against three or more players is often a leak. Betting the turn UI against two or more players is often a leak (unless you have specific reason to believe they'll fold). The decision to check-call/check-fold the flop depends on the board texture, pot size, number of villains in the pot, their aggression level, and a number of other factors. Nobody said that strong hands had to be easy.
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#10
12-06-2005, 03:35 PM
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Re: Out of Position
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[ QUOTE ] pf Raise, flop bet, turn bet, riv check is pretty standard line UI. [/ QUOTE ] OOP with "a few" cold-callers, this is often spewage. AK is tough to play OOP when it misses. Failure to raise preflop (if you're worried about cold-callers) is a gigantic leak. Betting the flop UI against three or more players is often a leak. Betting the turn UI against two or more players is often a leak (unless you have specific reason to believe they'll fold). The decision to check-call/check-fold the flop depends on the board texture, pot size, number of villains in the pot, their aggression level, and a number of other factors. Nobody said that strong hands had to be easy. [/ QUOTE ] That's the best answer for me so far...and something that I only figured out recently myself.
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