Long Shot Players ?

Vulpine · #1 03-28-2005, 01:32 PM

What are you suppose to think about the CO player?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button raises, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Results:
Hero has Ah Jd (two pair, aces and jacks).
CO has 9s 6s (three of a kind, nines).
Button has Ad Jc (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: CO wins 14.75 BB.

davelin · #2 03-28-2005, 01:35 PM

Besides the pre-flop call, he played it fine. Maybe raise the flop the first time but the cap on the flop was right. Maybe it's good for newer players to see why his play is correct.

jaxUp · #3 03-28-2005, 01:37 PM

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Besides the pre-flop call, he played it fine. Maybe raise the flop the first time but the cap on the flop was right. Maybe it's good for newer players to see why his play is correct.

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yeah.

Vulpine · #4 03-28-2005, 01:43 PM

I guess as is often the case in these situations I didn't see the flush draw.

Thigh · #5 03-28-2005, 01:47 PM

I guess his cap on the flop is fine because of the flush draw. Even though it is the 4th nut flush, which to me means I'm not sure I would have capped the flop.

But what about his check on the river?

davelin · #6 03-28-2005, 01:49 PM

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I guess his cap on the flop is fine because of the flush draw. Even though it is the 4th nut flush, which to me means I'm not sure I would have capped the flop.

But what about his check on the river?

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He was going for the check-raise which I think is the right play. If I was Button and I had top two pair I'd bet it.

jaxUp · #7 03-28-2005, 01:50 PM

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But what about his check on the river?

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Kinda fishy. Either scared of BB or was trying to c/r.

UncleSalty · #8 03-28-2005, 03:28 PM

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Besides the pre-flop call, he played it fine. Maybe raise the flop the first time but the cap on the flop was right. Maybe it's good for newer players to see why his play is correct.

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I assume the flop cap is correct because he believes he has 14 outs. (9 to the flush, 5 to 2 pair or trips.) He actually only has 12, which means HU he doesn't have the equity edge he thinks he has. However, if you believe your 14 outs are good, you have better than 1:1 odds on the flop to make your hand, so every extra bet is +EV even against a lone opponent.

Correct?

davelin · #9 03-28-2005, 03:42 PM

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Besides the pre-flop call, he played it fine. Maybe raise the flop the first time but the cap on the flop was right. Maybe it's good for newer players to see why his play is correct.

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I assume the flop cap is correct because he believes he has 14 outs. (9 to the flush, 5 to 2 pair or trips.) He actually only has 12, which means HU he doesn't have the equity edge he thinks he has. However, if you believe your 14 outs are good, you have better than 1:1 odds on the flop to make your hand, so every extra bet is +EV even against a lone opponent.

Correct?

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You can argue the merits of a cap if it's HU. But Villain knows that it will probably be 3-way going to the turn so it's right for him to cap.

UncleSalty · #10 03-28-2005, 03:47 PM

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You can argue the merits of a cap if it's HU. But Villain knows that it will probably be 3-way going to the turn so it's right for him to cap.

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Good point, I hadn't considered the very likely 3rd caller. In that case he's got an equity edge with the flush draw alone. With 12 definite outs the cap is a no-brainer.