Best site to start?

goodfelladh · #1 08-30-2004, 02:02 AM

I'm not quite ready to start playing O/8 just yet... I'm reading Tenner/Krieger, but I'm just curious as to if anybody has any suggestions on where the best micro-limit games of O/8 would. I've built my HE bankroll on Party, but have no idea concerning their O/8 games. Would Pacific or PokerStars be a better option? Thanks in advance.

TylerD · #2 08-30-2004, 09:08 AM

How big is your bankroll? $100 should be enough for Party $0.50/$1

goodfelladh · #3 08-30-2004, 11:36 AM

I'm figuring I'll probably put $200 wherever I decide to start my O/8 playing... so, would that be OK for the Party .5/1? That's what I started with for the .5/1 HE games on Party, so hopefully it will work.

Big O · #4 08-31-2004, 07:36 PM

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How big is your bankroll? $100 should be enough for Party $0.50/$1

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A 100 is not enough to play at that level. You need to be around 300. Maybe even 500 if you are just learning. Good Luck

djcolts · #5 08-30-2004, 09:17 AM

I lost $36 over the weekend at Party .5/1 trying to learn how to play O/8 - so I'd say more than $100 of bankroll.

djcolts · #6 08-30-2004, 10:39 PM

Just tonight at Party .5/1 - these are the sad stats:

340 hands - won 2% of hands, seen 20% of flops (including blinds) - won 13% of flops seen - lost 28 BBs. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Even if you don't chase - it is still tough.

L0QTiS · #7 08-30-2004, 10:52 PM

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Just tonight at Party .5/1 - these are the sad stats:

320 hands - won 2% of hands, seen 20% of flops (including blinds) - won 13% of flops seen - lost 28 BBs. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Even if you don't chase - it is still tough.

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Lately, I usually run around 25% of flops seen (+/- ~3%) so perhaps you were just running bad. Although winning only 13% of flops seen sounds like you are showing down too many non nut hands, but I can't draw too many conclusions on stats alone.

Post a few hands from the session.

djcolts · #8 08-30-2004, 11:15 PM

These are all of the hands out of the last 100 hands that I voluntarily put anything in the pot. Hands 1 through 5 in this post - 6 through 9 in the other.

Hand 1

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Hand 2

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks,

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Hand 3

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, Hero folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 24.25 BB

Hand 4

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.87 (All-In), Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (7.11 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.11 BB

Hand 5

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks,

Flop: (5.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (2.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, BB folds.

River: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

djcolts · #9 08-30-2004, 11:18 PM

These are hands 6 through 9 of the hands out of the last 100 where I voluntarily put anything in the pot.

Hand 6

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Hand 7

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Hand 8

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks,

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Hand 9

Party Poker 0.50/1 Omaha/8 (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (3 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

L0QTiS · #10 08-31-2004, 01:11 AM

I'll comment on the hands I might play differently.

Hand 3:

I would probably not raise preflop, although I don't think raising here is a mistake at all. Just a personal preference. This hand is a great hand, however it's a pure drawing hand in a game that has many preflop callers given the aces alone aren't too likely to stand up for high. I just call here drawing in as many callers as possible.

Hand 4:
Fold on the turn. I don't believe you have the odds to call here on a gutshot.

Hand 5:
I'd consider betting the flop given the gutshot straight and low draw, but this is likely debatable. Turn bet is ok. The river is interesting. If I was single-tabling, and if I had some read on MP2 I might check given the bad river card and the fact that the pot is so small, but the likely scenario for me would be to bet given I often multi-table at these lower limit games.

Hand 6:
Yuck. Top set with a 2 low wheelcard flop. If I were thinking clearly in this hand, I think I'd fold the turn against all but the most clueless players. You're drawing for 1/2 of what amounts to a very small pot.
I'm not sure I'd raise the flop here either, but I'd be interested in other opinions on the flop raise.

Everything else seems more or less standard