50-100 6 max hand

[Paluka]

Decent 50/100 6 max. I don't know any of the players that well, but all of them have done at least a little something that seems bad since I've been at the table.
2 folds, and the cutoff raises. I 3 bet with 99. Both blinds call, and the raiser calls.
Flop 457 rainbow. sb checks, bb bets, original pfr calls, I raise, sb calls, bb 3 bets, now the pfr caps! I think this is very very bad for me, but I call 2 cold. Anyone fold here? Sb calls leaving himself with 2/3 of a big bet.
Turn 8, no flush draws. Now the sb bets his $68, bb just calls, and the pfr raises again. So I'm face with 1 2/3 bets here. Call or fold?

[ScottyP431]

couldnt his cap mean he knew you were gonna do it and he was gonna call, so he may as well do it himself? at which point you could still be way ahead, and now you have a gutshot to boot. I have been up for like 40 hours, so i could be way off, but im thinking 2 and 2/3rds wack it

[stoxtrader]

i started to do the math and then got sick of it. this must be a trick question, you have odds for the 4 outer, and aren't you closing the action?

edited to add. I see you are not closing the action. oh well.

[ScottyP431]

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i started to do the math and then got sick of it.

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[Paluka]

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Decent 50/100 6 max. I don't know any of the players that well, but all of them have done at least a little something that seems bad since I've been at the table.
2 folds, and the cutoff raises. I 3 bet with 99. Both blinds call, and the raiser calls.
Flop 457 rainbow. sb checks, bb bets, original pfr calls, I raise, sb calls, bb 3 bets, now the pfr caps! I think this is very very bad for me, but I call 2 cold. Anyone fold here? Sb calls leaving himself with 2/3 of a big bet.
Turn 8, no flush draws. Now the sb bets his $68, bb just calls, and the pfr raises again. So I'm face with 1 2/3 bets here. Call or fold?

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Not only am I not closing the action, but I'm wondering if there is a better way to handicap our outs. Given how my opponents played, do you think it is more likely than normal someone has a 6?
When I ran pokerstove assuming the blinds were capable of calling the 3 bets preflop with hands like 45s and that the original pfr always had me beat I still have over 8% equity.

[AviD]

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Decent 50/100 6 max. I don't know any of the players that well, but all of them have done at least a little something that seems bad since I've been at the table.
2 folds, and the cutoff raises. I 3 bet with 99. Both blinds call, and the raiser calls.
Flop 457 rainbow. sb checks, bb bets, original pfr calls, I raise, sb calls, bb 3 bets, now the pfr caps! I think this is very very bad for me, but I call 2 cold. Anyone fold here? Sb calls leaving himself with 2/3 of a big bet.
Turn 8, no flush draws. Now the sb bets his $68, bb just calls, and the pfr raises again. So I'm face with 1 2/3 bets here. Call or fold?

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Not only am I not closing the action, but I'm wondering if there is a better way to handicap our outs. Given how my opponents played, do you think it is more likely than normal someone has a 6?
When I ran pokerstove assuming the blinds were capable of calling the 3 bets preflop with hands like 45s and that the original pfr always had me beat I still have over 8% equity.

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I haven't read any responses Paluka, but here's mine based on a quick run through...

17 and 2/3 BB to 2 on the turn call (if I added correctly), little less than 9:1. The fact that one player is all-in decreases your equity and implied odds those times you hit (and you currently don't have the odds to draw to it) in conjunction with you not closing and the fact that you may not even have 4 outs available. But if a 6 does come, then at best both BB and the raiser check/call figuring/hoping for a split pot.

I just think you are already facing less than 10:1 to hit your 4 outer, IF 4 outs are even available. The rainbow 8 (as in no redraw to a flush) is a good card as all your 6s are clean. If it makes a 4 flush, then it increases the likliness that BB is drawing to the flush and cuts you down to 3 outs.

How likely is it that someone is holding a 6? Tough to say, SB is all-in which tells you really nothing...his final bet could be a desperation/frustration bet or just a value bet with a 6 or even two pair, you obviously aren't getting anymore info from him. I think BB will smooth call and re-raise with a 6, and PF raiser could have a hand like 66 (which really cripples you) or A6s and was popping the flop with an OESD and backdoor flush. Really depends on your read of his raising standards on how likely it is he holds a hand with a 6.

You don't want to be seeing monsters under the bed here, but the "rainbow" value of that turn card really plays a key role in what hands BB might be calling with here as well as what hands PF raiser might be raising with.

Ultimately I don't really like the turn call, and the flop call seems marginal to me as well. You aren't getting odds on either end and there are alot of blind-like hands that can turn two pair and single card straights on the turn even though they provide you with a draw...and your 9s might not even be best here...if they are it's marginally so if you consider possible blind calling hands and PF raiser's PF raising, flop capping type hands.

I'd probably fold the flop here...if not certainly the turn. You have the best position, you called the flop and you are given more information and raises to call when it comes to you...be done with the hand I think.

[rigoletto]

If it is the game I know you should probably fold when it's 2 back to you on the flop. I know the pot is big, but you are likely drawing to runner, runner.

On the turn it sucks that you don't close the action. You could be drawing to only 3 outs for a split. I know the pot is big, but it sure looks like bb is going to c/r this turn, so I would make a marginal fold.

If it is not the game I'm thinking about, things might be different.

[Paluka]

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If it is the game I know you should probably fold when it's 2 back to you on the flop. I know the pot is big, but you are likely drawing to runner, runner.

On the turn it sucks that you don't close the action. You could be drawing to only 3 outs for a split. I know the pot is big, but it sure looks like bb is going to c/r this turn, so I would make a marginal fold.

If it is not the game I'm thinking about, things might be different.

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Hard to believe I'm drawing to a split, why would someone else have a 9?
What game do you think this is?

[rigoletto]

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If it is the game I know you should probably fold when it's 2 back to you on the flop. I know the pot is big, but you are likely drawing to runner, runner.

On the turn it sucks that you don't close the action. You could be drawing to only 3 outs for a split. I know the pot is big, but it sure looks like bb is going to c/r this turn, so I would make a marginal fold.

If it is not the game I'm thinking about, things might be different.

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Hard to believe I'm drawing to a split, why would someone else have a 9?
What game do you think this is?

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You are right. I got confused. I still think it's very close though. But the flop decision is more important than the turn.

[Jeffage]

I would fold. One of them has you crushed with an overpair or better.

Jeff