Hand to discuss: Too aggressive or just right?

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Background: Big blind sees every flop. She's quite the jerk type of stiffy type of unpleasant person. She's also very passive preflop (never raises) but virtually ALWAYS bets after the flop, either on the flop, turn, river, or all three, whether she has a hand or not. Rarely raises post flop. I'm not fond of her, to say the least.

Next character is Mr. LAG preflop, total moron post-flop. Raises at least 40% preflop, maybe more. He can't ALWAYS have aces. Behaves in a bizzare fashion post flop.

So there's a limper or two, and right on cue, LAG raises. I cold call on the button with KQo, BB comes along for the ride, five players.

Flop KQ2 rainbow. BB bets, folded to LAG, he raises, I cold call, BB calls, rest are out.

Turn is a three, putting two flush on board. BB checks. LAG-boy goes to bet, then changes his mind and checks. I of course bet. BB calls. Now LAG-boy check-raises me. I three-bet it. BB calls and LAG calls too.

River is an offsuit four (board is KQ234 rainbow). BB BETS out, LAG-boy calls, I RAISE.

Results to follow.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Please do not read these results until you have made your case on the hand..............




not yet





did you decide about the hand yet.....





are you sure?





VERY sure?







not just skipping to the end like a lazy ass bum?








Cuz you know I'll kick you in the nuts if you do....











ok, the results...

The both called. I turned up my hand. BB showed ACE-FOUR-OFFSUIT. LAG-boy chunked it without showing.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Funny how I discussed this at the WPDG and got VERY mixed answers, everything from Super-Genius to Super-Magoo. Basically the same deal here, very mixed opinions on how I did, and how I should have played it.

In my mind, I played it to maximize the size of the end pot, figuring from the flop on that I would have the winner at the end. The precise opponents I was against influenced me to think I was taking the best course of action, at least at the time. It is of course debatable tho, which is why I posted it here.

Good responses everyone, keep 'em comin'.

al

[Evan]

Care to talk about the preflop cold call. Cause its like, real bad.

[Entity]

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Care to talk about the preflop cold call. Cause its like, real bad.

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I disagree, but you already know that.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I don't feel that the preflop cold call is that bad at all. I don't feel that folding was an option here, KQ, even offsuit, is plenty strong enough to call a raise from someone who raises 40% of hands. With any top pair I'm going to the river against this guy. Reraising or not-reraising might be more of a debate here, but still, in this game, reraising wouldn't have narrowed the field at all. So do you want to give them TERRIFIC post-flop odds or just pretty good? It's not really much different than six of one, half dozen of the other. I prefer to keep the pot smaller then, no point is jacking it way up, and also increasing my preflop variance, till I see the flop.

You gotta remember, this ain't 15-30, this was LOW limit.

al

[Emmitt2222]

Preflop I hate to coldcall with offsuit hands ever, even against a LAG, but with other players in its tough to isolate so I guess its OK. I think I personally just fold.

Flop is good, strong hand, drawless board and morons who will bet and call the turn most of the time.

Turn I think is standard, the LAG is representing pretty much nothing and you almsot certainly still have the best hand.

The river is really the only place of question I think. Since A5 is the only hand that would make a straight that is reasonably betting the flop [cant see 67 or 62 betting] and its either that or a set that beats you, I think you are good here enough. There is a decent chance she is just taking a stab at a large pot or that she improved to worse two pair. I like the raise and, although it will be tough to call if she 3bets, you most likely have to in this large pot, but I don't expect her to very often at all.

So basically I think I like it the whole way through given the reads except for pf. The flop I may consider 3betting but either one is good.

[shant]

How loose were the limpers? If they were capable of folding when it's 2 more back to them, I like 3-betting the LAG with KQo. Aside from that, nice hand.

[Evan]

Your preflop cold call is horrible. Your flop cold call is horrible, that is not a board that you aren't going to get action on, however, its also a board where your hand can be fairly vulnerable.

[chief444]

Evan,

Why do you think it's horrible against a 40%pfr? I'd 3-bet personally but I don't think cold-calling is as bad as you're saying.

Al...I think postflop is fine.

Matt