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08-30-2005, 04:47 PM
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An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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4 players left in sng...blinds at 100/200 Hero 1865 villian 2085 other 6110 other 3440 Hero in BB dealt QJo 2 folds, sb limps flop is 5h As Qh sb pushes all in....hero calls Hero shows QJ sb shows 10 7 Turn 10 river 7 [/ QUOTE ] i have recently slowed down on my mad pushing from the bb to a small blind complete. earlier in my life you could not find a more aggro person in this spot. however, people started limp calling my shoves with hands as bad as K7. effectively 'trapping' with K7. idiots. also.. why is everyone so scared to play a flop? i mean.. does it really suck that bad to check here and take a flop? QJo isnt exactly the greatest hand aipf. take a flop, let him lost everything with his godamned K7 on my J72 flop. also.. you could argue that QJ is a good heads up FLOP hand, a hand you dont mind seeing a flop with. i duno, i just hate betting 5x the pot preflop now heads up. i dont mind taking a flop off and winning the pot with minimal risk, or taking the slight loss. now listen, to all you naysayers, i say this: IM NOT SAYING DONT PUSH PREFLOP. im offering an objective view at an alternative play. the much underused 'check'. old raptor shoved all day. new raptor sees extra ev in taking a flop. try it out, might end up liking it. holla 
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#2
08-30-2005, 04:52 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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[ QUOTE ] 4 players left in sng...blinds at 100/200 Hero 1865 villian 2085 other 6110 other 3440 Hero in BB dealt QJo 2 folds, sb limps flop is 5h As Qh sb pushes all in....hero calls Hero shows QJ sb shows 10 7 Turn 10 river 7 [/ QUOTE ] i have recently slowed down on my mad pushing from the bb to a small blind complete. earlier in my life you could not find a more aggro person in this spot. however, people started limp calling my shoves with hands as bad as K7. effectively 'trapping' with K7. idiots. also.. why is everyone so scared to play a flop? i mean.. does it really suck that bad to check here and take a flop? QJo isnt exactly the greatest hand aipf. take a flop, let him lost everything with his godamned K7 on my J72 flop. also.. you could argue that QJ is a good heads up FLOP hand, a hand you dont mind seeing a flop with. i duno, i just hate betting 5x the pot preflop now heads up. i dont mind taking a flop off and winning the pot with minimal risk, or taking the slight loss. now listen, to all you naysayers, i say this: IM NOT SAYING DONT PUSH PREFLOP. im offering an objective view at an alternative play. the much underused 'check'. old raptor shoved all day. new raptor sees extra ev in taking a flop. try it out, might end up liking it. holla [/ QUOTE ] I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#3
08-30-2005, 05:15 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? i suck out on you or something? holla
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#4
08-30-2005, 05:18 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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[ QUOTE ] I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? i suck out on you or something? holla [/ QUOTE ] joke... "too bad villain got lucky" I was being sarcastic! Did they stop teaching that in HS? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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08-30-2005, 05:22 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? i suck out on you or something? holla [/ QUOTE ] joke... "too bad villain got lucky" I was being sarcastic! Did they stop teaching that in HS? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] that wanst my post. i took it from another thread. i dont make bad beat posts like that. holla
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#6
08-30-2005, 05:26 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? i suck out on you or something? holla [/ QUOTE ] joke... "too bad villain got lucky" I was being sarcastic! Did they stop teaching that in HS? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] that wanst my post. i took it from another thread. i dont make bad beat posts like that. holla [/ QUOTE ] That counts as a "vicarious bad beat post"...u should know better.
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#7
08-30-2005, 05:20 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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[ QUOTE ] I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? i suck out on you or something? holla [/ QUOTE ] In your Bad beat original post they went runner-runner to beat you ehich is what he is reffering to. As for the hand, with those stack sizes and only 4 left I will often take the flop here unless I feel that pushing will have meta-game benefits for the remainder of the tourney (i.e. more walk-overs).
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#8
08-30-2005, 05:23 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? i suck out on you or something? holla [/ QUOTE ] In your Bad beat original post they went runner-runner to beat you ehich is what he is reffering to. As for the hand, with those stack sizes and only 4 left I will often take the flop here unless I feel that pushing will have meta-game benefits for the remainder of the tourney (i.e. more walk-overs). [/ QUOTE ] same to you apathetic batch. that wanst my post. i took it from another thread. i dont make bad beat posts like that. thankyou for agreeing with a check. it must be something with the level difference from the 11s-33s and the 55s-215s. holla
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#9
08-30-2005, 05:31 PM
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Re: An explanation to NOT push preflop..
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like this too, but not when they runner runner on me...This was awful raptor, choose your spots better next time.. [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? i suck out on you or something? holla [/ QUOTE ] In your Bad beat original post they went runner-runner to beat you ehich is what he is reffering to. As for the hand, with those stack sizes and only 4 left I will often take the flop here unless I feel that pushing will have meta-game benefits for the remainder of the tourney (i.e. more walk-overs). [/ QUOTE ] same to you apathetic batch. that wanst my post. i took it from another thread. i dont make bad beat posts like that. thankyou for agreeing with a check. it must be something with the level difference from the 11s-33s and the 55s-215s. holla [/ QUOTE ] FWIW...I also agree with the check, I love to see a flop with this hand here. Pushing every SB completion is just no fun anyway.
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