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Four Possibilities For Our Universes\' Existence
1. The universe is an illusion
For most of us this is simple so we'll move on. 2. The universe was self created or created by Chance This term (self created) is analytically false. If something created itself from nothing, that would imply it was both something and nothing at the same time in the same relationship- nothing can create itself.It would have to be before it was. A coin has a 50% chance of coming up heads when flipped. Chance is just that- a mathematical probability that something can happen. The pressure of my thumb when I flipped it, how I caught it etc. caused it to come up heads or tales. Chance has no power . Chance is not a thing . Chance exerts no force . 3. The universe is self existent and eternal. Everything we know points away from this. Today this is pretty much a non-argument. 4. The universe was created by something that is infinite, and eternal From my stance this makes the most sense. I think these are the only 4 possibilities, as others would more than likely be a derivative of the above. I'm sure some will agree with me, but more will think I'm way off base here. I'd like to hear some of both. Jeff |
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Re: Four Possibilities For Our Universes\' Existence
What about:
5. We don't know what happened yet, maybe someday we will, maybe it's beyond our ability to discover. From my stance, this is the only thing that makes sense. |
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Re: Four Possibilities For Our Universes\' Existence
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What about: 5. We don't know what happened yet, maybe someday we will, maybe it's beyond our ability to discover. From my stance, this is the only thing that makes sense. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. It's akin to when humanity still believed the Earth was the center of the universe when we didn't yet have the means to think otherwise. Our understanding of the cosmos is still in such a primitive state it's quite ridiculous to make any definitive conclusions from the data. |
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Re: Four Possibilities For Our Universes\' Existence
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What about: 5. We don't know what happened yet, maybe someday we will, maybe it's beyond our ability to discover. From my stance, this is the only thing that makes sense. [/ QUOTE ] 'We' as in the general masses. Those at the top of the tree know, and have done for eons. |
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Re: Four Possibilities For Our Universes\' Existence
You missed one.
5. The reason for our universe’s existence is currently beyond our ability to comprehend. (Personaly I think this is the most likly explanation.) Missing that one is typical human arrogance. That’s all assuming the question makes sense of course. |
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Who or what created .....
<font color="red"> 4. The universe was created by something that is infinite, and eternal
</font> Gee - I wonder what that 'something that is infinite, and eternal' could be. Who or what created that 'something that is infinite, and eternal'? |
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Re: Who or what created .....
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Who or what created that 'something that is infinite, and eternal'? [/ QUOTE ] If something is infinite, and eternal it wasn't created. |
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Re: Who or what created .....
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[ QUOTE ] Who or what created that 'something that is infinite, and eternal'? [/ QUOTE ] If something is infinite, and eternal it wasn't created. [/ QUOTE ] This implies you do not believe any creator could create a universe which is infinite and eternal because there would be a contradiction: you would have to believe it was both created and not created. This implies there are limits on what the creator you believe in can create. Do you believe there are limits to what the creator you believe in can create, such as this one (if you believe in a creator)? in your religion, is it blasphemous to believe in limitaions to the powers of your God. if the God you believe in is not omnipotent in this respect are there any other acts you beleive He is inprinciple incabale of performing? |
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Re: Four Possibilities For Our Universes\' Existence
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3. The universe is self existent and eternal. Everything we know points away from this. Today this is pretty much a non-argument. [/ QUOTE ] You are mistaken if you believe the Big Bang theory disproves this view of the universe. Conveniently, #3 is also the best argument against your theistic view. |
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Re: Four Possibilities For Our Universes\' Existence
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[ QUOTE ] 3. The universe is self existent and eternal. Everything we know points away from this. Today this is pretty much a non-argument. [/ QUOTE ] You are mistaken if you believe the Big Bang theory disproves this view of the universe. Conveniently, #3 is also the best argument against your theistic view. [/ QUOTE ] Nuclear Fusion. |
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