Tricky AQ Hand

protocol · #1 10-23-2005, 11:18 PM

Only have about 30 hands with villian, but he seemed pretty LAG, he was around 40/25/7.0. Against most opponents I would raise the flop, but I figured this guy would continue to bet a worse hand if I just called. No good?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

AllIn3High · #2 10-23-2005, 11:20 PM

I raise the flop against a LAG and call down if raised.

I'm also calling down 100% of the time after he 3-bets the turn.

EDIT:
Also, you're making a BIG mistake if you routinely folds TPGK against LAGs, especially on such an innocent board like this. Don't EVER use bet/fold raise/fold etc. lines against LAGs, if you only want 2 bets to go in on the turn+river vs. this guy use them to CALL turn and river.

jba · #3 10-23-2005, 11:23 PM

why not just get to showdown? very very good chance you have the best hand, just call down and bet if he checks to you. if none of the draws get there and you are still beating most bad aces then raise the river, but bottom line is you have a strong hand in this situation and I don't think you should be folding this heads up.

TheDelChop · #4 10-23-2005, 11:24 PM

IMO if you're going to raise the turn against a LAG, you are doing so because you believe you have the best hand and your doing it for value.

If you are truly curious how much he likes his hand then raise/cap the flop and see what he does on the turn.

FWIW, either way am I calling this mo-mo down with A-Q. Let him show me AK or two pair, most of the time MHIG.

zephed56 · #5 10-24-2005, 12:34 PM

That is not how you should be playing lags.

Don't build big pots against lags and then find ways to fold your hand "safely".

BottlesOf · #6 10-24-2005, 12:38 PM

That fold is really bad. I'd pop a street and not fold.

wonkadaddy · #7 10-24-2005, 01:04 PM

agree w/others. although this guy seems to be more of a super-agressive slag than a lag. can't fold there to someone w/an AF of 7.

also, against folks that play like this if i don't raise on the flop and take the lead, i'll sometimes wait until the river to raise. there are some obvious disadvantages w/this play, but you can better control the # of bets that go in w/this line as most folks won't play back on the river.

protocol · #8 10-24-2005, 03:52 PM

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can't fold there to someone w/an AF of 7.

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After only 30 hands, this figure can't possibly be very reliable. His true AF is almost always much lower.

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also, against folks that play like this if i don't raise on the flop and take the lead, i'll sometimes wait until the river to raise.

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I agree that a river raise would have been better than what I did. He's less likely to 3-bet AK, and I only have to call 1 bet to see a showdown.

John Bedtelyon · #9 10-24-2005, 04:15 PM

If you don't think you have the best hand and aren't raising for value, then at least call down and see the showdown, you'll probably win more often than not.

JMB

Megenoita · #10 10-24-2005, 04:35 PM

Does everyone remember when Ed Miller said, "The reason you guys aren't crushing small stakes isn't because you're not smart. It's not because you don't study. It's because you fold too damn much."

I'm reading more and more posts where terrible folds are being made in SH pots in SH games.