KQo in the SB.

BigEndian · #1 12-07-2005, 11:44 PM

I just got to this table so I don't know diddly about bupkus.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises...

- Jim

CardSharpCook · #2 12-07-2005, 11:54 PM

ah, yes. the old chk/rz with nothing. Look, either your hand is good or it isn't. I bet. Why? Becuase that's what you do when you have an ace. I also check/fold the river UI.

BigEndian · #3 12-07-2005, 11:59 PM

My opponent pretty much must have an Ace to continue here (occaisional flush draw).

- Jim

CardSharpCook · #4 12-08-2005, 12:02 AM

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My opponent pretty much must have an Ace to continue here (occaisional flush draw).

- Jim

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that's just not true. This spew play is common enough that you should be calling down with any pair.

BigEndian · #5 12-08-2005, 12:06 AM

Look, I'm as open as the next guy to discussion and criticism. But to say that this play is "common enough" is absolutely false.

- Jim

CardSharpCook · #6 12-08-2005, 12:12 AM

ok.

mterry · #7 12-08-2005, 12:20 AM

I like the line, since it only needs to be good >26% of the time to make money. A bet would have opened you up to a turn (semi)bluff, but it only has to be good > 18%. Also you're likely to get someone to fold a weak 2 or 6 with the c/r line, right? However, if you get called by utg+1, what do you do on the following rivers:

Ac,Td,7s?

Pog0 · #8 12-08-2005, 02:12 AM

check/fold all of them I imagine.

goofball · #9 12-08-2005, 04:42 AM

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My opponent pretty much must have an Ace to continue here (occaisional flush draw).

- Jim

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That is absolutely untrue. You'll have an extremely tough time folding a pair with thise move. Besides, he'll have an A plenty. What's your plan if he calls? Check and fold(barf)? check and call(more barf) spew a fourth bet with K high (you get the pattern).

YOu were frustrated that a) you didn't hit, b)you didn't hit in the worst way possible, and c) no one is folding. I understand, we all feel that way, but this is just total spewing. I'd either bet the turn, or just check and fold depending.

BigEndian · #10 12-08-2005, 11:08 AM

If I'm called, I'm done with the hand without second thoughts. I definitely wasn't frustrated at the time. This was a target of opportunity.

I checked the turn to see what happened and I think I fold to a bet almost always here. When it was bet on the end, two things occured to me: 1) my opponent's betting range is pretty wide here. 2) BB's chances of having an ace here is so small is could pretty much be said to be zero.

So instead of folding, I raised.

I think the crux of the argument is how often does this move fold an under pair. I think my opponent would have to be a show-downer of the worst kind to get past the CR.

- Jim