Flopped da' nuts - how to get value?

TheWorstPlayer · #1 11-02-2005, 01:42 AM

Party Poker (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

2/4 NL: Effective stacks $420.

Preflop: TWP is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, TWP calls, BN calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> ($18)
BB checks, UTG checks, TWP bets $8, BN raises to $25, BB folds, UTG folds, TWP...?

BN is the one of the biggest rocks in these games. Danimal8 for those who play skins 2/4 6max. What's my line for the rest of the hand (depending on turn/river cards potentially)? And was $8 good initially?

DoomSlice · #2 11-02-2005, 01:46 AM

I just call here and then lead weak again if the board doesn't pair.

j0wlev · #3 11-02-2005, 01:48 AM

Call and c/r the turn.

TheWorstPlayer · #4 11-02-2005, 01:49 AM

What if the board does pair?

DoomSlice · #5 11-02-2005, 01:56 AM

Call down.

#6 11-02-2005, 01:49 AM

If he's a huge rock I wouldn't worry about trying to get value against his one pair, I 3-bet the flop and hope he's got a set/two pair

$8? If that's your standard bet in this situation, then ok. Just keep in consinstent. I prefer minimum 2/3 pot though.

j0wlev · #7 11-02-2005, 02:11 AM

I think Villian's hand range is AJ, KJ, JTs, 88, or 77. 3-betting gets a TPTK like hand to fold and a set to call/fold to non-board pairing turn.

If we 3-bet it'd be probably between $65~$70. So we lose 1 time in 6.

AJ and KJ contribute $25 and fold to our raise.
A set contributes $75 to the pot and folds the turn when it doesnt pair.

So lets say he has a set 2 outta 10 times and TPTK the rest of the time.

3-betting pushes a hand that has to hit runner to win out and entices a hand that will stack us to call.

If we call the flop raise and let the Villian pot the turn we will win much more from the TPTK type hands and get a set to commit when he has less a chance of beating us.

I call the flop raise and c/r the turn probably all-in.

#8 11-02-2005, 03:37 AM

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a set to call/fold to non-board pairing turn.

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For reals? I don't see a set folding the turn

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If we call the flop raise and let the Villian pot the turn

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Eh, maybe he bets the turn, but probably not pot. Good luck trying to win anything more than a turn bet off AJ, if that

j0wlev · #9 11-02-2005, 03:50 AM

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a set to call/fold to non-board pairing turn.

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For reals? I don't see a set folding the turn

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If we call the flop raise and let the Villian pot the turn

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Eh, maybe he bets the turn, but probably not pot. Good luck trying to win anything more than a turn bet off AJ, if that

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I believe if the player is a rock like described, a set folds the turn to 2/3s bet.

Toyboy · #10 11-02-2005, 05:08 AM

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If he's a huge rock I wouldn't worry about trying to get value against his one pair, I 3-bet the flop and hope he's got a set/two pair

$8? If that's your standard bet in this situation, then ok. Just keep in consinstent. I prefer minimum 2/3 pot though.

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Couldnt agree more. I think it's a crime not to 3-bet this flop; you do not want to give a free card with all those scare cards out there and you want to build the pot. He likes his hand, and he would likely push (or raise hard) trips and possibly 2 pair (?) if re-raised.

Don't know his hand range, but I'd say JJ, 88, 77 are very likely looking at pf action and your description of him as a rock.
Most rocks would re-raise AA, KK, QQ preflop? And if he holds one of those I assume you're not getting any more money in on the turn anyway unless he improves. Therefore might as well raise flop.

~$80 pot after flop with $400 behind each is not enough for my taste in this situation

And yeah, unless this is your standard flop bet then bet more than $8.