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Converter doesn't seem to like the hand so a few manual fixes went in.
Been playing at the table for a while now. Button is loosey-passive preflop and likes to cold-call with all sorts of hands, but doesn't raise much preflop. Postflop he switches gears and will fire away with marginal hands like 2nd pair and worse -- he 3-bet me on the turn once with 2nd pair poor kicker. He's also prone to bluffing postflop if he feels like he might pick up the pot. BB is a rock; his VPIP over the last 50 hands is under 10. Consequently I've seen him enter around 10 hands and frankly his postflop play hasn't made much of an impression -- mostly he's called or folded, and may have bet once or twice, but I haven't seen him raise yet. Party Poker (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero raises, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 8SB)</font> SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets,SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls. With a relatively large field and a coordinated board, I opt to check-call here. Given button's style of play it's pretty hard for me to put him on a good hand and fold, so I'd like to see a turn, but I'd rather not worry about paying 2 bets to do so. Note that I'm not really worried about draws since I can't force anyone out anyways, and I'm most likely still drawing myself. Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 5.5BB)</font> BB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, BB check-raises, Hero folds. Two decisions here -- the leading out, then the fold. I debated check-raising, but my hand isn't really one that likes to build a big pot, plus there's some (small) chance Button checks it through, and now I have enough of a hand that I don't want to give any free cards. When BB check-raises, I'm pretty sure he's got a good hand and is beating top pair. At the time I had him pegged for the flush, althogh this may be too narrow a range in retrospect. My one-card flush draw probably is worth a few outs, and I may have outs to counterfeit a two pair type of hand. (I'm getting 1:8.5 in immediate odds.) In retrospect, I think calling and folding the river UI would have been better... EDIT: Fixed HH. |
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I'm not sure I'd be playing KTo from here, but if you're comfortable with this hand on this table then it's fine.
Your flop call is a bit thin. You're getting 10:1 for your money. Your overcards aren't worth 3 outs I don't think; the T gives additional possibilities to straight draws and can be beaten by a higher card too. I think 0.75 outs for your backdoor flush draw is fair with only a T. So you have probably about 3.25 outs. You need about 14:1 to continue here and you're only getting 10:1. Seems like a good spot to fold. BB could have a straight or a flush, or even two pair. I think folding the turn is wrong. You have a flush draw that'll be good some of the time and you've got further outs if he is raising it up with two pair. So I agree with you. Calling the turn and folding the river UI seems good, but folding the flop is better. |
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Preflop: not sure I raise this from MP3, given that you're not folding Button (CO?) if he has anything.
Flop: meh. Closing the action, I guess you're ok. If you hadn't raised preflop this would be an easy fold for me. Turn: I think this fold is terrible. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, if you're only going to fold to a little bit of agression when you make your hand, why continue past the flop? Anyway, you know this, and you're right, you should've called the raise and check/folded the river UI. He might've just been taking a shot at you...you only have 50 hands on him, he may have been watching The Nick & Jessica Fourth of July Spectacular on Tivo while bonus-clearing and the show just ended so he started paying attention again. |
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Preflop: not sure I raise this from MP3, given that you're not folding Button (CO?) if he has anything. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry about the mixup with the hand. Button/CO in the post were the same person (as I'm sure you've figured out). It's unclear what action you're arguing for preflop. You can't open-limp any hand in MP3 -- you're either raising or folding. I'm perfectly happy to have Button cold-call with any random two cards. (In case the original read wasn't clear, this is essentially what he was doing -- he'd cold-call any two suited, connectors, one-gappers, etc etc.) I think open-folding KTo is losing a lot of value here, and open-limping is pretty icky, so preflop was the street I'm most comfortable with [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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It's unclear what action you're arguing for preflop. You can't open-limp any hand in MP3 -- you're either raising or folding. I'm perfectly happy to have Button cold-call with any random two cards. (In case the original read wasn't clear, this is essentially what he was doing -- he'd cold-call any two suited, connectors, one-gappers, etc etc.) I think open-folding KTo is losing a lot of value here, and open-limping is pretty icky, so preflop was the street I'm most comfortable with [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] It's probably unclear as I'm not entirely clear on it myself. I agree that open-limping from MP3, in most situations, sucks. But, I also hate raising KTo without a specific reason. And, I think you're playing two different players...maybe CO/Button IS two people! Because if he's playing ANY two cards preflop, even against a raise, then the rest of the hand plays itself. You have overcards to the flop, you call. You make top pair, you see a showdown. If there's a question later in the hand, it's only because he might have a hand you have to worry about. Otherwise, your fold on the turn was the Worst. Fold. Ever. Yeah. I just went back and re-read your read...and based on this added information he'll call anything preflop and then turn into a borderline maniac postflop. With top-pair, good kicker plus a four-flush, you have to call down. His raise means nothing. I might even advocate a 3-bet, as you're very likely to have the best hand, even if he does hold a king. |
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Yeah. I just went back and re-read your read...and based on this added information he'll call anything preflop and then turn into a borderline maniac postflop. With top-pair, good kicker plus a four-flush, you have to call down. His raise means nothing. I might even advocate a 3-bet, as you're very likely to have the best hand, even if he does hold a king. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry about the hand -- I guess it's still messed up even after I tried to fix it [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] There are basically 2 players of signficance in the hand: Button/CO, who are the same person and is a bit schizo pre and postflop, and BB, who is tight-passive both preflop and post. It's BB that's doing the check-raising. Let me try again on the post: Party Poker ($1/$2 limit, 10 handed) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero raises, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 8SB)</font> SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls. Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 5.5BB)</font> BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB check-raises, Hero folds. |
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I'm calling this turn. Without reads, I may call one more on the river.
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I think it's worth a look at the river card. I think BB has spades but they could be low. He came into the hand with any two. I'd check/call the river if a spade came or check/fold otherwise.
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What limit is this?
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What limit is this? [/ QUOTE ] 1/2 full ring at Party. I just noticed that I didn't manage to fix the whole hand. Button and CO in the hand are actually the same person. |
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