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set K\'s and coordinated board on river
Bodog 2/4
SB is not particularly aggressive, I've only shown down strong hands 5 limpers, SB completes, I raise from BB with KK, all call flop xKJ rainbow, SB checks, I bet, 3 callers including SB turn 10 completes rainbow, I bet, 2 folds, SB calls river A, SB checks, Hero ??? |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
bet/call
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
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bet/call [/ QUOTE ] What do you think a non-aggressive SB is check-raising with on this river that we're behind? OP doesn't give a very detailed description - but from what it sounds like this is the kind of player that will: - check/call with pair and 2-pair hands - donk-bet a Q fearing that Hero is going to check-behind - Villian might c/r a straight but, definitely isn't check-raising anything that Hero beats - again because the board is just as scary for Villian. Value Bet, Fold to a checkraise. |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
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[ QUOTE ] bet/call [/ QUOTE ] What do you think a non-aggressive SB is check-raising with on this river that we're behind? OP doesn't give a very detailed description - but from what it sounds like this is the kind of player that will: - check/call with pair and 2-pair hands - donk-bet a Q fearing that Hero is going to check-behind - Villian might c/r a straight but, definitely isn't check-raising anything that Hero beats - again because the board is just as scary for Villian. Value Bet, Fold to a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] Good point. |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
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[ QUOTE ] bet/call [/ QUOTE ] What do you think a non-aggressive SB is check-raising with on this river that we're behind? OP doesn't give a very detailed description - but from what it sounds like this is the kind of player that will: - check/call with pair and 2-pair hands - donk-bet a Q fearing that Hero is going to check-behind - Villian might c/r a straight but, definitely isn't check-raising anything that Hero beats - again because the board is just as scary for Villian. Value Bet, Fold to a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] I would need a better read to fold to a c/r on the river. The pot is too big for that. The villain CAN c/r the river with 2 pair. |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
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I would need a better read to fold to a c/r on the river. The pot is too big for that. The villain CAN c/r the river with 2 pair. [/ QUOTE ] Let me clarify... I'm making some assumptions regarding the OP's read of SB which was: "not particularly aggressive". We can only infer what the OP really meant by this statement and, although he's been active since the OP in this thread, he's provided no additional details. In my inference of what "not particularly aggressive" means - I'm not calling a river bet. Perhaps your, and others who advocate the bet/call line, understanding of that read is that this player is capable of raising two pair, against an aggressor, on a 4-broadway board. I don't agree - but as I stated in my first reply in this thread it's "VERY player dependant". |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
If he has a Q for the straight, sometime he'll lead the river and sometimes he'll check/raise. Once he checks, it's statistically more likely he doesn’t have it. So it’s a bet on the river.
The only question is whether or not you should call a check/raise. I think you do need to call a raise because could be bluffing (rare) or have made 2-pair with AK, AJ, AT, Ax. |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
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The only question is whether or not you should call a check/raise. I think you do need to call a raise because could be bluffing (rare) or have made 2-pair with AK, AJ, AT, Ax. [/ QUOTE ] This is obviously VERY player dependant. However, If we're talking about a typical passive 2/4 player, or an unknown 2/4 player who seems passive, we should not be calling a check/raise on this river card. This type of player is not making that play with anything less than a Queen. In fact, part of the reason this is an easy value bet is that many times Villian will not checkraise when he does hold the Queen. |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
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[ QUOTE ] The only question is whether or not you should call a check/raise. I think you do need to call a raise because could be bluffing (rare) or have made 2-pair with AK, AJ, AT, Ax. [/ QUOTE ] This is obviously VERY player dependant. However, If we're talking about a typical passive 2/4 player, or an unknown 2/4 player who seems passive, we should not be calling a check/raise on this river card. This type of player is not making that play with anything less than a Queen. In fact, part of the reason this is an easy value bet is that many times Villian will not checkraise when he does hold the Queen. [/ QUOTE ] It’s 13-1 to call a check/raise on the river. I’d want a better read than, “not particularly aggressive” before I fold there. |
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Re: set K\'s and coordinated board on river
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It’s 13-1 to call a check/raise on the river. I’d want a better read than, “not particularly aggressive” before I fold there. [/ QUOTE ] This is a good reason why players like yourself are probably not winning as much as you could be. Just beacuse you're getting 13-to-1 here is not a good reason to call. Look at the board. Recall how Villian has played the previous streets. Recall that Hero has only shown-down quality hands. Realize that this board looks just as scary to a Villian as it does to Hero. This Villian is NOT checkraising with less than the nuts here. |
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