Any lessons to share at 2/4?

[Roadstar]

I'm thinking of moving up to 2/4 full ring and hoping to hear from those willing to share their stories/lessons when they moved up from 1/2 to 2/4.
Please be as concrete and specific as possible (I already know the generic "move up if you feel ready", "give it a shot but move back down if it doesn't work out") [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


Greatly appreciate if you could include specifics relating to:

1) Table composition (on average, say on Party, how many LPP, LAGs and TAGS per table?)

2) Specific adjustments required at 2/4 preflop, flop and later streets.


Just for background, I've done about 12,000 hands at 1/2 with a 2BB/100 and under 7,000 hands at 1/2 6 max at 6BB/100 (I dunno still small sample I guess).

When I moved from .5/1 to 1/2 I had to make changes like folding small PP in EP at slightly tighter tables, learning to 3 bet LAGs to isolate, learning to open raise in LP (i.e. with KJo, A9o), slightly more check/raising (against a late position PFR, etc. So just hoping those at 2/4 (or above) could pass on some wisdom as to minimize my "tuition fees" at 2/4. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Thanks guys!

[MrWookie47]

I have some thoughts along those lines here.

[Paxosmotic]

You'll hate my reply, as it's nowhere near as specific as you like, but here goes. 2/4 is exactly the same as 1/2. The big jump is .5/1 -> 1/2. The jump to 2/4 is such a cake walk. You can expect your winrate to drop only fractionally, making 2/4 much more profitable overall. My recommendation would be to set aside 200BB for 2/4 (that's $800 for you math geniuses) and take a shot at it.

[tiltaholic]

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You'll hate my reply, as it's nowhere near as specific as you like, but here goes. 2/4 is exactly the same as 1/2. The big jump is .5/1 -> 1/2. The jump to 2/4 is such a cake walk. You can expect your winrate to drop only fractionally, making 2/4 much more profitable overall. My recommendation would be to set aside 200BB for 2/4 (that's $800 for you math geniuses) and take a shot at it.

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i second this.
except for me, me 2/4 winrate was a tenth of my 1/2 winrate. winrates are for sissies...

focus on your play and your opponents everything else you do at 1/2. the limit is incidental (assuming you are rolled for it)

[mr_perry84]

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You'll hate my reply, as it's nowhere near as specific as you like, but here goes. 2/4 is exactly the same as 1/2. The big jump is .5/1 -> 1/2. The jump to 2/4 is such a cake walk. You can expect your winrate to drop only fractionally, making 2/4 much more profitable overall. My recommendation would be to set aside 200BB for 2/4 (that's $800 for you math geniuses) and take a shot at it.

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I dissagree. You get a lot more tight tables at 2-4 and blind play becomes a hell of a lot more important. At 1-2 most pots are contested against many opponents so certain hands lose value and others go up in value. Also if you multi table at 2-4 you'll feel the swings on your bankroll a lot more when things arent going your way or you get bluffed raised out of a pot or 2.

All in all, i think build a decent bankroll at 1-2, move up and gain experience. Also there's a great post on here about not restricting yourself to 1 limit. Find a table you have an edge at and exploit it. At certain times at 2-4 your edge isnt that great as is most of the time at 1-2 or at very least it is harder to find.

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You'll hate my reply, as it's nowhere near as specific as you like, but here goes. 2/4 is exactly the same as 1/2. The big jump is .5/1 -> 1/2. The jump to 2/4 is such a cake walk. You can expect your winrate to drop only fractionally, making 2/4 much more profitable overall. My recommendation would be to set aside 200BB for 2/4 (that's $800 for you math geniuses) and take a shot at it.

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I dissagree. You get a lot more tight tables at 2-4 and blind play becomes a hell of a lot more important. At 1-2 most pots are contested against many opponents so certain hands lose value and others go up in value. Also if you multi table at 2-4 you'll feel the swings on your bankroll a lot more when things arent going your way or you get bluffed raised out of a pot or 2.

All in all, i think build a decent bankroll at 1-2, move up and gain experience. Also there's a great post on here about not restricting yourself to 1 limit. Find a table you have an edge at and exploit it. At certain times at 2-4 your edge isnt that great as is most of the time at 1-2 or at very least it is harder to find.

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I think this is the key. If you can find a good 2/4 or whatever limit table that plays like a 1/2 table your winrate should be the same. However, at 2/4 it is harder to find good games, the "TAG" players play a lot better, and even loose players are more selectivly aggressive. So I think in order to beat 2/4, or probably any time you move up, you have to evaluate your play, evaluate the way the games play and adjust. IMO every time you move up your edge gets smaller and your winrate will go down in relation to that.

[mr_perry84]

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IMO every time you move up your edge gets smaller and your winrate will go down in relation to that.

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This is exactly right. To say is the same as 1-2 is absurd. People make less mistakes at 2-4 and therefore you win less. If for example you make 1.5bb/100 at 2-4 and 3bb/100 at 1-2 stay there! dont feel pressure to move up because you feel you have to.

I think that as you move up from .5/1 --> 1/2 --> 2/4 it becomes harder to find really good loose passive tables. So table selection is really important.

In general that the players are a little better so you pay more when you make mistakes, and the other players don't make as many mistakes. I think paying attention to how people play becomes much more important, I basically just autopilot at 1/2 and that becomes a problem at 2/4 because I have found that the play starts to become more aggressive, i.e. people bluff raising more and stuff like that.

I'm not probably not the best source though I have 54K hands at 1/2 at 3BB/100, but through 18K hands at 2/4 I am only .34BB/100.

[MrWookie47]

Try sitting down at empty 2/4 tables. You can thank me (and Grunch) later.

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Try sitting down at empty 2/4 tables. You can thank me (and Grunch) later.

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I have heard of this strategy, is that how you game select at 2/4?