big pot, double belly, cold call

#1 09-26-2005, 12:03 PM

Another full-ring that got short.

Button is 35.5/0/.17 (13 hands)
SB is 44/0/1
BB has sat 5 hands, and played most of them.

Me likey pot.

FullTilt 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero ???

#2 09-26-2005, 12:09 PM

Easy call. I see no reason to raise at this point if that is your question.

fundmyhabit · #3 09-26-2005, 12:12 PM

Am I the only one who 3-bets this on the flop?

DCWildcat · #4 09-26-2005, 12:16 PM

I don't think I would here. We don't have enough opponents to make a raise for value, and with a bet and raise in front, the chances of us getting a free card are significantly reduced. I like the call.

Hellmouth · #5 09-26-2005, 12:18 PM

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Another full-ring that got short.

Button is 35.5/0/.17 (13 hands)
SB is 44/0/1
BB has sat 5 hands, and played most of them.

Me likey pot.

FullTilt 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero ???

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My read is that villian has a high pocket pair and is trying to protect it against a possible straight. Raising to see if someone has a 7 etc.

So each of your gutshots gives you 4 outs (full since the read is high pocket pair)
The RR flush draw is 1.5 outs by the river.

You have 9.5 outs so this is at least a call if not a raise. A raise here may scare off mr big pocket pair but also might drive off villian #2 who could also be working on one of your draws.

I would call and reevaluate the pot odds on the turn. Most likely it will be checked to the raiser who will bet. The size of the pot will justify a call of 1BB to the river even if you miss on the turn. fold the river unimproved. Raise like crazy if you hit your straigt or flush.

Greg

Hellmouth · #6 09-26-2005, 12:21 PM

BTW I dont like your position for the preflop raise of QJs. I know that its marginal since there are only 6 players but I still think I would be limping this more than raising it.

Greg

MrWookie47 · #7 09-26-2005, 12:26 PM

At what appears to be a 5 handed table, raising QTs in the CO is standard. Open-limping in the CO is almost always terrible no matter how many are sitting at the table. The only exception is if the players behind you will play always call you with any two cards. In that case, you can consider limping, forfeiting a small edge preflop for what may be a larger one postflop. Even then, you should feel dirty doing it.

#8 09-26-2005, 12:26 PM

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BTW I dont like your position for the preflop raise of QJs. I know that its marginal since there are only 6 players but I still think I would be limping this more than raising it.

Greg

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There is an error in my history. There were two folds to me. I've got QTs. This was a steal attempt at best, and I was trying to buy the button.

Kumubou · #9 09-26-2005, 12:40 PM

Fuh, your raise is standard in a shorthanded situtation. QTs is more than enough of a hand to open in the CO.

Am I the only one thinking of 3-betting in this situtation? The two most likely outcomes are either your 3-bet slows people down enough to take a free card on the turn (if you so choose), or that the SB and BB are looking to stack off and the flop is getting capped anyway. You lose only if the BB has a hand he is willing to cap and the SB is not willing to 3-bet his hand now.

The 3-bet may be -EV in terms of pure value, as I am putting Hero's hand at roughly 10.5 outs -- 7 for the double gutter [a 7 puts four to a straight on the board, making it likely to chop and killing any other action], 1.5 for the BDFD, 1.5 for your Q outs, and .5 outs for your T (as that puts 4 to a gutshot on the board, while leaving lots of overs drawing live). However, the fact that hero has position plus any initative/free card benefits he may gain should tip the scale ever so slightly the other way.

-K

shadow29 · #10 09-26-2005, 01:05 PM

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There is an error in my history. There were two folds to me. I've got QTs. This was a steal attempt at best, and I was trying to buy the button.

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You don't have "at best" a steal attempt. You have a good hand that has a likely equity edge at a five handed table in the CO. You would raise AA there, right? Of course you would. QTs certainly doesn't have the equity edge that AA does, but it's edge is nonetheless real.