A hand reading exercise

jason_t · #1 09-05-2005, 11:28 AM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with x,y.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

What did I have? What did SB have?

mr_perry84 · #2 09-05-2005, 11:36 AM

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with x,y.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

What did I have? What did SB have?

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The fact that you limped and then your sudden aggression on flop i'm putting you on QTo. SB is trickier. Not knowing what sort of player he is makes it difficult. I'm going to assume J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

soweak. · #3 09-05-2005, 11:40 AM

I am trying to think of a hand that you don't raise with that hits this flop hard enough to be jamming so early on the flop and the turn. My guess is you have 66 or QTo. I figure even in a SH game you are raising QQ and TT. I would expect a raise from a hand like K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], but I may be thinking full ring game terms. A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I think would also raise.

Your opponents hand can only be J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. With the button cold calling raises on every street, it becomes obvious that he is drawing. SB cannot bet a worse hand than a flush on the end.

Hero: 66 or QTo
SB: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (I guess K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is also a possibility)

Evan · #4 09-05-2005, 11:49 AM

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I am trying to think of a hand that you don't raise with that sees this flop

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elindauer · #5 09-07-2005, 05:29 AM

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hero: 66 or QT

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You think these would be folded for 1 bet on the river in this huge pot?

eviljeff · #6 09-05-2005, 11:54 AM

after pf and flop:
you: Ax clubs, Kx clubs, J9 clubs, KJ with one club, QT, 66,
SB: straight draw, flush draw, two pair, or set

after turn:
I don't think you'd be raising your draw again here, you've got QT or 66
SB just made his straight or has a set

river:
you chuck your QT/66
SB shows down his straight or set

Michael Davis · #7 09-05-2005, 12:01 PM

"SB just made his straight or has a set"

If SB has QT, how badly has he misplayed his hand, if at all?

-Michael

Redd · #8 09-05-2005, 12:16 PM

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"SB just made his straight or has a set"

If SB has QT, how badly has he misplayed his hand, if at all?

-Michael

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Would you agree that SB shouldn't be 3-betting the turn with QT?

Michael Davis · #9 09-05-2005, 12:29 PM

"Would you agree that SB shouldn't be 3-betting the turn with QT?"

Unequivocally? No.

-Michael

Redd · #10 09-05-2005, 01:47 PM

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"Would you agree that SB shouldn't be 3-betting the turn with QT?"

Unequivocally? No.

-Michael

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So what hands would Jason be raising the turn with that lose to QT? Even in a 6-max game, is Jason going to limp something like Q8 and play it this strongly often enough for a value 3-bet?