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Hidden Outs
In TOP, Prof. Slansky states that failing to account for all hidden outs can cause a player to fold a hand that might otherwise be worth playing.
That said, wouldn't one's opponent also have a few hidden outs that increase the value of his hand and decrease your pot equity? It would seem that taking into account your hidden outs without allowing for your opponent's would cause you to give your hand "props" it doesn't deserve. |
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Re: Hidden Outs
Keep reading.... The section after "Extra Outs" covers this.
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Re: Hidden Outs
Sure hidden outs are VERY important. Here is a hand that seemed worthless but I saw hidden outs.
1/2 holdem at the local casino. I was waiting on a tournament. Bunch of limpers and 1 raiser from the SB. I limped on the CO with As2s. Everyone called HAND: As 2s FLOP: 3d 8c Qs The SB bets out and gets 2 callers. Now there were 15 SB in the pot already and it seems I got absoluate ZERO. Well after taking about 10 seconds to act I figured the SB had KK. I had an ace, there was a queen on the board so it was not likely he had AA or QQ in his hand. He bet immidiate and quick. So that leaves me with 2 backdoors (str8 and flusg) and 1 over. In Poverstove my pot equity is almost 18% for this hand. WOW. HAND: As 2s TURN: 3d 8c Qs 5d SB bet again, the others fold and now its up to me. I am heads up with 16 SB in front of me. I can pretty much count on this guy calling a river bet so 18 SB pot equity for 1 BB. I now have a gut draw and over (7 outs I figure). Plenty of outs. HAND: As 2s RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts. He calls, I win. Before I would have tossed that hand like it was a hot potato. Because I took a second to think I was able to make that play and win money. |
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Re: Hidden Outs
omg, I HOPE winky is kidding...
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Re: Hidden Outs
READ THE FRAKING HAND!!! He was the PF raiser so he had a big fricken pair not 62 or 76
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Re: Hidden Outs
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READ THE FRAKING HAND!!! He was the PF raiser so he had a big fricken pair not 62 or 76 [/ QUOTE ] people don't raise non pairs? at any rate your equity wasn't close to 18%. you know you don't win the hand if you beat KK right. you said there were two other callers, you have to beat them too. |
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Re: Hidden Outs
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HAND: As 2s RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, the nuts! Except for any 2/6 or 5/6 hand. Jimbo |
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Re: Hidden Outs
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[ QUOTE ] HAND: As 2s RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, the nuts! Except for any 2/6 or 6/7 hand . Jimbo [/ QUOTE ] FYP |
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Re: Hidden Outs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] HAND: As 2s RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, the nuts! Except for any 2/6 or 6/7 hand . Jimbo [/ QUOTE ] FYP [/ QUOTE ] Oops! Thank you......... Jimbo |
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Re: Hidden Outs
Hello read the god damn hand.
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