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Poorly Played?
I'm not sure why, but I've been playing some of the worst poker I've played in quite a while. To make matters worse, it's also the longest such period. 3 straight sessions without an "A" game showing up. So take that into consideration here...
A very skilled player (who's only discernable weakness IMO is a propensity to tilt), raised from the cutoff (I believed on tilt). Folded to me in the sb holding Jd,Td. Like I said.. I've been running a little bad and a "B" game is all I've been able to muster these last 3 days. I couldn't bring myself to make it 3 bets out of position. Even though I thought him to be on tilt, this cutoff is skilled... Had position... And is capable of outplaying me on my best day. On the one hand, I didn't want the confrontation. However, I thought my hand too good to fold given the wide mix of hands he might be playing. The bb was not too strong of a player, so I didn't feel the need to get him out. As a matter of fact, I thought it might be better to leave him in there with the type of hand I had. I just called. The bb folded. Heads-up. The flop came Kc,Qd,8s. I checked, he bet, I (check)/raised, he called. The turn was an 8d pairing the board, but also giving me a flush draw to go with my up and down str8 draw. I bet, he raised, and I called. The river was a 4d. I bet, he raised, I called and my flush beat out his A8 for trip eights. Later that evening, he mentioned he couldn't believe I bet the turn. ??? I know I haven't been able to rise above my "B" game lately, but I need a little re-affirmation here. Would any 20-40 player on this forum NOT consider a follow-through bet on the turn automatic given the action (and description) I provide? It gets tough to think clearly in the midst of a 3 day funk, but I thought this hand (at least post-flop) was somewhat routine. If not, maybe I've found a problem. Thanks in advance. |
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Re: Poorly Played?
You did well.
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Re: Poorly Played?
Hey Kevin, I'm not a 20 40 player, but my post will at least get you back on the top of the board [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] I'm not such a big fan of checkraising here unless your opponent will fold ace high in this spot a lot of the time, which I doubt he will. Making that move here is what put you in the bad spot on the turn, IMO. But given that you checkraised the flop I agree it is mandatory to lead the turn and try and pick up the pot, even if you hadn't picked up the diamond draw. If you check you're probably facing a bet almost
%100 of the time here anyway, I think. Also why not reraise the river? I don't think it's likely he's putting you on a diamond draw after your aggression early in the hand. |
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Re: Poorly Played?
"Also why not reraise the river? I don't think it's likely he's putting you on a diamond draw after your aggression early in the hand."
Kevin really can't threebet the river because of the chance his opponent has KK or QQ for a full house. Also he might have an ace-high flush. I don't understand why the opponent told Kevin "I can't believe you bet the turn". Maybe the opponent mistakenly believed that he had three-bet the flop. Checkraising the flop and betting out the turn against a preflop raiser is a standard play. |
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Re: Poorly Played?
I'm not such a big fan of checkraising here unless your opponent will fold ace high in this spot a lot of the time, which I doubt he will.
I agree and also doubt he'd fold ace-high. But I got a hand that's going to the river regardless, and check/raising the flop might convince him to fold some of his worse hands on the turn. IMO- |
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Re: Poorly Played?
I'm not a big fan of the check-raise on the flop. I probably bet out and if I get raised then I'll need to determine to raise again or call. Raising again can be a deceptive play, in that if you hit your straight he may give you some pretty good action, not thinking you would have 3-bet on a draw. But a lot of people would check-raise the flop in that situation so it's clearly not a mistake.
Everything else seemed fine, especially betting out on the turn. I think it's almost an automatic bet in that spot. |
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Re: Poorly Played?
I agree that betting out is also an option and that 3-betting (if raised) can be a deceptive and profitable way to play it. But like I pointed out in my post... This guy was skilled and aggressive. If I'm wrong, and/or miss my draw, it was sure to get expensive. I was getting tortured for most of the session and was in no mood to go to war with this guy. I actually thought check/raising might've been the least expensive way to play it. Also, I like to mix it up. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Poorly Played?
I think a follow up bet is a must. I think the hand was played fine.
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Re: Poorly Played?
I would have considered checkraising the turn to represent the 8 with all those outs.
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Re: Poorly Played?
I would be inclined to do this if I were three-bet on the flop. As M.B.E. pointed, it's standard to bet out after the flop check-raise. If three-bet on the flop, though, one can check-raise with fifteen outs when an innocuous card like the 4 comes on the turn. Even if you get three-bet on the turn, you can check-fold the river, as opposed to betting out when you miss. While the river is usually an automatic bet when one check-raises the turn, how many would check fold the river if a blank comes against this particular opponent, in light of the flop and turn play? Or, would the size of the pot mandate a bet in case he held the same hand, which, feasibly could be played the same way?
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