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08-10-2005, 10:48 AM
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Mid PP in BB - come play along?
This is posted from memory of last night, so it's not going to be 100% accurate.
Reads: UTG+1 is TAGish at 13/8/2.5. I've watched him play 50 hands or so and nothing remarkable to note so far. MP player was in his first or second orbit. No outstanding reads, but appeared to be a LP fish who was seeing a lot of flops and not showing too much aggression. I don't recall anything about the LP player, which means he was probably a typical PP fish. Party Poker 2/4 (10 handed) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 1 fold, UTG+1 raises, folds to MP player who calls, folds to a LP player who calls, folds to me I call. Flop: (8.5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players) Hero ? 
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#4
08-10-2005, 11:14 AM
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Re: Mid PP in BB - come play along?
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[ QUOTE ] Hmmm...c/r the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Thus trapping the field for 2 here? I think I'd prefer to bet and hope villain is the sort to auto-raise with overcards ... [/ QUOTE ] That would be nice. I'm inclined to think to think here than Villain isn't the type to raise except with a hand we lose to. I'm also open to check/calling the flop and betting the turn.
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#5
08-10-2005, 11:21 AM
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Re: Mid PP in BB - come play along?
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I'm inclined to think to think here than Villain isn't the type to raise except with a hand we lose to. [/ QUOTE ] Well, if we're just going to start making up reads, now... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I'm concerned that the Villan wouldn't raise anything preflop that we beat without flopping a set, but, assuming we're not folding, I think we have to do what we can to win the pot. Most PFRs at these levels will auto-continuation-bet on the flop (which your line counts on), and most with this level of postflop agg will also auto-continuation-raise in this situation (which my line counts on). IMHO
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#6
08-10-2005, 11:34 AM
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Re: Mid PP in BB - come play along?
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That would be nice. I'm inclined to think to think here than Villain isn't the type to raise except with a hand we lose to. I'm also open to check/calling the flop and betting the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Disregarding the made up reads, forcing weaker hands to fold while your hand is second best is good for you because it increases your chances of winning. That is, unless I have misunderstood that concept. Someone help me here.
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#7
08-10-2005, 11:45 AM
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Re: Mid PP in BB - come play along?
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[ QUOTE ] That would be nice. I'm inclined to think to think here than Villain isn't the type to raise except with a hand we lose to. I'm also open to check/calling the flop and betting the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Disregarding the made up reads, forcing weaker hands to fold while your hand is second best is good for you because it increases your chances of winning. That is, unless I have misunderstood that concept. Someone help me here. [/ QUOTE ] No, you're pretty much right. You want to fold weakER hands that still have a strong draw, such as, in this case, AK. Folding weaker hands that have little to no chance of beating you is setting money on fire. Edit: make it AT or A9. AK probably would have raised preflop.
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#8
08-10-2005, 11:46 AM
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Re: Mid PP in BB - come play along?
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Disregarding the made up reads, forcing weaker hands to fold while your hand is second best is good for you because it increases your chances of winning. That is, unless I have misunderstood that concept. Someone help me here. [/ QUOTE ] This is not true when your hand has little chance of improving. No better hand is folding here, the hands you want to fold are things like overcards which have 6 outs against you. If we have the second best hand, knocking out others doesn't help us.
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#9
08-10-2005, 11:50 AM
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Re: Mid PP in BB - come play along?
While that's sometimes true, second best hand here isn't going to be helped much by folds. Trips or better aren't folding. We don't clean up outs. If we hit, everyone except a higher pair are drawing dead.
On the other hand, we're thrilled if people fold overcards when we're ahead. If we think Villain will auto-raise the flop, we should lead. He's probably happy to try to blow out the field with 6 probable outs in this reasonably big pot, as we're very unlikely to be leading trips.
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#10
08-10-2005, 11:10 AM
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Re: Mid PP in BB - come play along?
Really? I'm inclined to bet the flop and hope that the TAG faces the field with 2 for me. I'd really like to fold nines, tens, queens, kings and aces, here. Hero's hand is vulnerable to anything that a TAG might've raised with preflop, but also to close to half the deck, so we should be trying to thin the field to protect.
The alternative, I think, is check/call the flop and then check/raise a safe card (anything sub-7) on the turn.
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